Lets take a little break from politics and have us a real atheist conversation.

Personally, I’m open to the idea of the existence of supernatural phenomena, and I believe mainstream religions are actually complicated incomplete stories full of misinterpretations, misunderstandings, and half-truths.

Basically, I think that these stories are not as simple and straightforward as they seem to be to religious people. I feel like there is a lot more to them. Concluding that all these stories are just made up or came out of nowhere is kind of hard for me.

  • @[email protected]English
    1•18 hours ago

    “Provable”? Nah. I prefer “useful”.

    This desire for “Truth” is strange to me. I see no necessary connection between ideas and phenomena.

    • Flying SquidEnglish
      1•2 hours ago

      What is useful for me may not be useful for you. It may be useful for me to tell some sort of slanderous lie about you to all of your neighbors. I assume you would desire the truth in that sort of situation.

      That is why truth is more important than utility. Utility is subjective. Truth is not.

    • @[email protected]English
      5•16 hours ago

      Lies can be useful. They cal also be dangerous.

      Preferring possible usefulness to truth is alarming.

    • Adderbox76English
      3•18 hours ago

      I see no necessary connection between ideas and phenomena

      That’s fair enough. You’re welcome to live however you want to. I’m just explaining the difference between science and mysticism. It’s not going to affect the average person’s life in any fashion whether they believe in ghosts or not; they’ll still go to work, buy groceries, get old and die.

      But the rejection of science leads inexorably down to a path where a cult of ignorance starts to form; where those who aren’t intellectually curious but still want to have an opinion on stuff start to think that their opinion is just as valid as actual facts. And we see what happens when that kind of willful ignorance works its way into the public discourse.

      In short, you’re welcome to not differentiate between ideas and actual scientific phenomena. But someone has to, because society only functions when decisions are made by people who share the same basic knowledge of reality.