“Our research shows us that the pink dollar isn’t as profitable as the bigot dollar. We don’t actually care about anything other than profits.”
Exactly. Nobody should have been giving them money for rainbow shit without looking at who they actually donate to and what they actually support.
This is still alarming as a bellwether. The Repub domestic terrorism has shut them up.
It’s hilarious that this thread accuses them of supporting pride to make money was bad but supporting bigotry for money is also bad.
It’s such a perfect microcosm of capitalism and popularity. How gatekeeping good deeds and representation through virtue signaling can turn people away and keep your movement from being funded by billion dollar organizations.
Conservatives will paint the can any color that will drive profits, without donating anything to support the cause.
MAGA will scream and shout about boycotting it.
The right’s spectrum is the difference between covert and overt bigotry.
“We don’t give in to terrorists. Only domestic terrorists.”
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We like our beers like we like our terrorism, domestic.
Oh look, there it is…proof these companies never gave a flying fuck in the first place.
At first I was going to disagree, but then I thought about it and realized that if they truly gave a fuck, they wouldn’t have let the crybullies win in an attempt to claw back their dollars.
The North Face previously garnered pushback for its “Summer of Pride” event series in 2022 and 2023 in partnership with drag queen Pattiegonia
I’m sorry, which company partnered with a drag queen named Pattiegonia?
Interesting and not shocking. But I was just making a joke about the fact that one of their main competitors is Patagonia and the drag queen’s name is Pattiegonia
Patagonia is way better
Also not surprising. Chouinard is a lefty who has pledged a ton to environmental causes. I think he put the company into some kind of trust so that the profits will go to environmental causes even after he dies. Really great company
Edit: I think this goes into the details: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/climate/patagonia-climate-philanthropy-chouinard.html
Hell yeah. This makes me even more satisfied with my backpack.
Downloading this app right now.
Let’s go we could use a few informed consumers holding companies accountable
some super brilliant marketing exec probably thought it would swipe a few clicks from people misspelling their competitor’s name in search engines.
he works at wendy’s now.
He actually works at Wrendy’s.
No no, it’s actually a pretty good idea lol. I mean, the exec may very well work at a Wendy’s but that’s probably more so because of all the right wing backlash
They aren’t cowards. They are legally obligated to make more profit for the shareholders. They couldn’t give a rats ass about anything else. Any public company showing “support” for pride is only doing it because they think it will drive more business than they’ll lose. The system is fucked
Common misconception. Fiduciary Duty means the Board of Directors has to act in a company’s best interest. It does not mean they legally have to maximize every single profit possibility, short and long-term. Some people feel that improving a company’s reputation or outreach is in its best interest, even if it doesn’t increase profits.
It’s also important to know that no one has ever been found guilty of failing to fulfill fiduciary duty, and it’s pretty vague. Companies can still do what they want, don’t let them tell you their hands were tied and they had to do [awful, greedy thing that everyone hates]…
no one has ever been found guilty of failing to fulfill fiduciary duty
For as big a deal as is made of this by investment advisors and similar roles, this is shocking to read.
That must be hyperbole, right?
Like… The Enron guys at least, right?
Madoff was straight up ponzi scheme fraud, not profit maximisation.
Enron guys were fraudulently booking future possible revenues as certainties.
Deliberate illegal misrepresentation is very different from making a (possibly) sub optimal business decision.
A quick search suggests Enron and Bernie Madoff are a couple of examples of conviction, but maybe there are nuances I’m not familiar with.
Those… are examples of straight-up fraud. Of course that’s illegal.
Tim Cook even famously responded to a right-wing troll during a shareholder meeting asking Apple to commit to only doing profitable things and dropping stuff like making their production climate neutral with "When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI.” “If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock.” and somehow he’s still around
edit: it really pissed them off too haha https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2014/02/28/tim-cook-to-apple-investors-drop-dead/
I dislike Apple, but respect for that. 👊
Wow those people are scum bags. They call it “so called climate change”
They are required to provide a safe working environment. I think this has more to do with that for the companies in the retail space.
Those that just produce products are all image and can suffer whatever PR backlash they create.
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Honestly all this tells me is that peaceful movements and protests are seemingly far less effective than violence. So if the LGBT crowd wants to see change, then their going to have to get violent too.
I don’t morally agree with it, but it feels hard to deny the realities about it.
Oh most definitely! Freedom is bought with blood.
Source: The whole of human history.
In general, peaceful protests have been historically way more effective. But if you let the violent bigots get too far, especially into governments, you will have no other choice than to remove them with violence. I don’t think the world is there yet, but if they are enabled further it “soon” will be.
You may not morally agree but I morally encourage it, make those sonsovbitches bleed. Especially if theyre Seventh Day Adventist affiliates or outright part of.
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Put your loved ones in danger supporting a topic they care little about. Your mentality is the same used to support wars.
“My morality dictates this is worth putting other people in the line of fire for my ideals!”
By allowing the terrorism to succeed they’re encouraging further harassment against a vulnerable minority.
Many of my loved ones were already in danger from those hateful bigots, who are now emboldened and looking for new targets thanks to spineless corporate appeasement.
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No, my solution is to protect the workers and continue to stand for queer acceptance. When people shoplift these corporations have no qualms with spending millions on security, but when it comes to standing up for the LGBTQ+ community they won’t put their money where their mouth is, they would rather shift the conflict onto people who don’t have ample resources to defend themselves.
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I’ve worked retail for stores like that. It doesn’t need to be the way you’re describing it. If they put a fraction of the effort they put towards loss prevention into protecting their workers everyone could be safe.
Costco required masks for years during the pandemic, some people hated it and blamed the workers, but instead of giving up and backing down Costco invested in keeping their staff safe and de-escalating conflicts.
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Here you go, now hop to it!
The ironic thing here is that you’re getting just as worked up as the other side is. Maybe if both extreme fringes calm down, the rest of us in the middle can just have a beer while wearing a North Face jacket.
Whether or not gay people should be allowed to exist at all is not an issue upon which it is possible to compromise!
Well said.
No notes.
No notes? None? Dude’s message is “nothing is worth being bullied over” and you’re all-in? 🤔
Yup. Nothing is worth deciding someone else should get bullied for your decisions. People don’t work retail because they want to deal with culture war problems.
This isnt life or death. It’s selling rainbow themed products.
This is PROOF that VIOLENCE is the best way to cause Change!
For all the idiots complaining about corporations milking LGBTQ+… This is far worse.
Oh no representation in media but they’re making money off it!
To be TRULY benevolent you can’t make money from doing good things. Otherwise you go to hel… Or you should feel bad.
Makking your and others lives better at the same time? That’s just selfishness. You’re
working withusing others to get ahead!No. I want you to be just as miserable as me.
Representation in media but not for the money. If you happen to get more sales from it, great. But doing a 180 in response to backlash means that they don’t really care - they just want more money.
There is literally no media without money. It is how it’s created, disseminated, and why people can make a living doing it.
They never cared.
I don’t need Apple going on about LGBTQ+ in my country when it’s already accepted here. It’s funny how in the places where it should be promoted like Saudi or Russia that they keep quiet there.
I used to work for Apple and I’d raise these points in the daily meetings on the shop floor. It’s the same for green shirts to celebrate Earth day, by manufacturing green shirts and then shipping them around the globe. It’s all a facade.
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Fucking cowards, this is one reason Im jaded against anyone calling themselves an ally. The slightest pressure and they will turn
Yeah, goes to show how fucking hollow aĺ that pride support was
Cowards
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It’s almost like they have no spine and merely want to cash in on the rainbow-washing.
Who would have thought?
Literally every other meme in June for the last 10 years
Company in May: ⬛⬜⬛⬜⬛⬜
Company in June: 🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪
Company in July: ⬛⬜⬛⬜ ⬛⬜
TBF it only made anyone mad.
Many screeched omigodtheyreturningmahkidsgay. Many were annoyed at the blatant pretense at support that did zero actual supporting and just hoped to make a buck. The rest didn’t notice or care.
I guess pretend support is still better than no support, but I didn’t believe they were genuine or courageous a year ago, so it’s not surprising for them to confirm it.
I can’t believe the US Navy is scared of bigots.
I wouldn’t trust them to defend the coasts.
They’re not afraid of bigots. They’re afraid of low recruitment numbers.
But they’ve already attacked contraception and are already attacking divorce…
Oh. Oh I get it.
