Summary
Denmark’s Defense Intelligence Service warns that Russia could launch a large-scale war in Europe within five years if NATO appears weak or divided, especially if the U.S. does not intervene.
The report outlines a timeline where Russia could attack a neighboring country within six months, escalate to a regional Baltic conflict in two years, and potentially engage NATO-wide by 2029.
The assessment comes as Trump pressures NATO members to increase defense spending and has suggested the U.S. might not defend allies who fail to meet financial commitments.
I’m tired of living in weeks, boss
So is Ukraine in Asia or something?
This is about how quickly the Russian war machine and economy can rebuild their capability to attack again. IIRC the report by the Danish Intelligence Service assumes that the Ukraine war stops now and that Europe does not increase its defensive capabilities.
Boy, it sure would be bad if the US population had voted a Russian stooge into the presidency for the next four years. Oh wait…
Major war already started 3 years ago. Europe sat on its hands, and America is looking for the door.
Nazi Russia pact 2: America throws Europe to the wolves after creating its own role it now uses as an excuse to blackmail world peace and climate for lithium and hate because Mars Hateopia is no longer feasible in time for Elon-aloo.
If Moscow perceives NATO as weak, Russia could be ready to wage a “large-scale war” in Europe within five years, the Danish Defense Intelligence Service (DDIS) has said.
They didn’t say Russia will, they said Russia could. I feel like this is fearmongering to a certain extent. How is the war in Ukraine going for Russia? They’re winning, sure, but they’re fighting hard for every kilometer and it’s costing them. I really don’t think any other country is worth as much as Ukraine is from Russia’s point of view.
People die but remain missing = no costs They finance most of the equipment etc. themselves. Laws are already being changed in the direction of forced child labor and I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin brings forced rape into play if necessary. So losses are manageable even with the junk equipment.
Ukraine is acting democratically… even the current convocation will do if age limits have to be constantly adjusted. Equipment either from abroad or financed from abroad. Losses are not bearable
Europe, America and all democracies in the world are sinking into unstable chaos due to Russia’s propaganda machine. No more united action, etc. The majority of the population backing Russia is becoming an ever greater risk and the likelihood of civil war is increasing.
Etc.
So people who don’t take this seriously, make fun of Russia, etc. have absolutely not grasped the seriousness of the situation. There are several ways of waging war… even without actively intervening in the events themselves.
I mostly agree with your points, but even the article title very clearly says ‘could’.
Russia had been encroaching on Ukrainian borders for years before launching their full invasion, and I’m not aware of similar actions against other European nations. It may be fearmongering, but unifying and strengthening NATO is in an important step to take to prevent Putin from going even further. He is heading towards his latter years now, and he seems to like the idea of restoring the ‘glory’ of the USSR and showing the West how big and stronk Russia is.
Additionally, in a larger-scale war with other, better armed European nations, Russia might not hold back on using their nukes this time round.
With what troops and hardware? This is ridiculous. I mean if Putin has a few working nukes, sure he could launch them. But he doesn’t have anything else left. It’s all been destroyed.
Russia has started up a war economy, scaling up production of weapons, tanks, etc.
Putin probably waits untill Trump destroys NATO and is just taking his time to prepare.
The only reason Ukraine has been holding on for this long is because all the stuff they got from the US and EU. If that stops it’s not going to last long.
Pete Hegseth already completely fucked Ukraine by saying they need to give up on joining NATO and just accept that Russia can keep all the occupied areas. It’s like the Trump administration just wants to kiss Putin’s ass.
Russia can’t produce tanks. They can only refit soviet era stocks and build a few ifvs. There are almost no soviet era stocks left. They are using ~~late ww2 era tractors ~~
civillian carschinese golf cartsdirt bikese scootersmules for gods sake. They are producing vast amounts of drones though and are one of two countries in the world experienced in drone warfare.the weaker NATO gets, the more likely we see nuclear war.
if the USA was to say, abandon the alliance, or not honor Article 5. the British and French may just immediatley Nuke Russia if they move into eastern europe.
Putin has already completed his demographic suicide. There are no men left to fight, or have children. They can build as many tanks and guns as they want, but there won’t be anyone to operate them.
I want to believe putin would find it difficult to maintain a war time economy without a war going on.
Yeah this is wishful thinking. This is the kind of thinking that has involved people failing in Russia for the last few hundred years. You don’t Outlast Russia in a game of numbers. That don’t work. Russia will happily go Toe to Toe with you and lose four times as many men. Not a problem for them. Never has been never will be.
agree. but there’s still plenty of capability of “erasing the decadent homosexual west”
going out with a blaze of glory is all russia has left. They spent themselves in Ukraine, and any move further into Europe, with NATO panicking over America being basically regulatory captured by Russia and Fascist sycophants, will likely result in an immediate nuclear response.
He still has half the voters in the US sucking his dick.
Republicans could be made to contort their minds to accept anything, even that Russia is our new ally and we’re sending them aid to fight communism or something.
They’ll cheer
What are they gonna start a major war with? Their one “functional” 5th Gen “stealth” fighter that has the radar cross section of a Boeing 747 and no replacement parts?
They gonna start shitting out t-34s again like it’s WW2?
They have lost the majority of their best vehicles and their trained soldiers.
If nukes didn’t exist they would already have been obliterated by now.
yup. and they still managed to win. It doesnt matter how many russians die, the mafia is still in charge, its detractors in the country have all been killed or imprisoned, and europe is too afraid to fight them other than mutually assured nuclear annihilation.
they cant fight for shit, but they are very lucky that americans are so fucking stupid.
Yep. At this point, we should fear millions of Russian refugees on our borders when their country finally collapses.
Title is misleading, since there is already a major war in Europe started by russia
Headlines from 2011
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Poor widdle Russia had no agency, NO CHOICE, but to invade. They were OBLIGATED to violate the Budapest Memorandum and attempt to seize Ukraine.
It was Ukraine that violated the Minsk Agreements
Off is the general direciton in which you should fuck.
The Minsk Agreements only exist as a direct result of Russia shitting on the Budapest Memorandum. The Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994, and Russia promised to never violate Ukrainian sovereignty if they gave up nuclear weapons. The Minsk Agreements were signed as an attempt to end Russia’s invasion of eastern Ukraine, whose sovereignty you may recall they promised to never violate just 20 years prior.
Russia openly admitted they had no intention to stick to the Minsk agreements. So why should Ukraine?
Man I thought I had squashed all the tankies. .ml is leaking again.
Believe it or not, the U.S. cannot force the Russian military to cross its own border into a third country.
You have the remarkable ability to confidently navigate the world with a mind so barren of critical thought that even a Magic 8-Ball would outthink you in a debate.
Says the person parroting US propaganda?
ml detected vatnik opinion rejected
Oh, I’m sorry—I didn’t realize independent thought meant regurgitating conspiracy buzzwords like a malfunctioning chatbot. Try forming an original argument instead of just copy-pasting skepticism from whatever YouTube video your algorithm fed you.
Would you like to tell the whole class how US is responsible for Putty bombing civilians?
Thoughts drift far away, A tranquil mind, void and still, Silent echoes play.
This checks out… if you only include putin in the definition of “people”
No, it’s still a fucking lie even then. Claiming that Putin was somehow “forced” to invade another sovereign country because the US was some kind of boogeyman is purely demented, ass-backwards abuser “logic.”
but if putin is the only person, that means every country belongs to him!
well, the US now does for sure
Either France or the UK can easily fill in. Both have nuclear submarines. Mutually assured destruction baby.
France and the UK’s nuclear arsenal is minuscule compared to the US stockpile.
And a lot of the nukes at NATO bases are on loan from the US, so if the US pulls out there will not be nearly as many bombs close to Russia.
Anyone insane enough to start a nuclear war may decide that absorbing a hundred or so nukes isn’t so bad when they have hundreds of Cold War era bunkers and thousands of their own nukes.
more than enough to cook russia. unfortunatley, europe will be wiped off the map too
France and the UK’s nuclear arsenal is minuscule compared to the US stockpile.
You only need a few.
And a lot of the nukes at NATO bases are on loan from the US, so if the US pulls out there will not be nearly as many bombs close to Russia.
Both UK and France have nuclear armed subs, those are all that matter.
Anyone insane enough to start a nuclear war may decide that absorbing a hundred or so nukes isn’t so bad when they have hundreds of Cold War era bunkers and thousands of their own nukes.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say even Putin doesn’t want to spend the rest of his life in a bunker.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say even Putin doesn’t want to spend the rest of his life in a bunker.
You say that, but that’s literally the plan for all the tech bros and billionaires when climate change finally starts to slap. They have all the money and power to stop it from happening, but they’d rather just live out their last thirty years in a fucking hole.
The French strategy with nuclear bombs is not to wipe a country out of a map, but wiping out Moscow and Saint Petersburg (or New York and Washington DC for a USan example). The message is that you can kill us, but we will make sure that you are definitely crippled
Anyone insane enough to start a nuclear war may decide that absorbing a hundred or so nukes isn’t so bad when they have hundreds of Cold War era bunkers and thousands of their own nukes.
Russian bureaucrats may think that about the rest of the population, but fortunately even they are not dumb enough to believe in having safety in those bunkers (time passes, things rot, materials decay).
So Russia really using nukes is for a situation where somebody making decisions believes there will be no retaliation.
Considering that throwing your friends and allies to the wolves has become a really common thing in modern world, just like plainly disregarding any kind of agreements or international laws or moral principles, I think such a situation is possible.
And with the cucked way France’s foreign policy seems to work recently, and with the too realpolitik-style UK foreign policy, one might imagine a situation where both are not very active.
Also bureaucrats of various countries are class brothers. A bureaucrat, even a German or a French one, understands Putin and Xi better than somebody democratically elected. And Germany is traditionally (last 30 years I mean) friendly with Russia.
No conclusion.
Obviously the headline should have said “special military operation.”
With what? They can’t even handle war in Ukraine and they run out of plenty of hardware.
I do not have an English translation but in this interview a lieutenant general of the German Bundeswehr says that they are observing that not all new supplies are being pushed to the Ukrainian front lines and instead new stockpiles are being created.
My personal expectation is that Putin will attempt one more push in Ukraine once mud season is over, take what he can get and then agree to another peace deal (Minsk 3 anyone?). He will then take some time to restructure and reinforce the military before again “coming to the aid of suppressed Russian minorities”, this time in places like Georgia, Moldova or Armenia. Ukraine is off the table because they will use the time to reinforce as well.
Could be, who knows. Though the countries listed are not part of NATO and are weak. And at least in Moldova it’s not easy as Russia doesn’t border it and for Armenia they have to go through Georgia first.
Though the countries listed are not part of NATO and are weak.
Perfect to get the collective confidence back on its feed after getting a literal bloody nose in Ukraine.
for Armenia they have to go through Georgia first
Two for the price of one. That’s a bargain!
With the help of the US
I’d laugh at you if this was 2024. Today? I’m uncomfortable with such statements.
The new Axis powers of Russia, China, North Korea and U.S.A against the European powers. 10 years ago that would seem ridiculous, now, not too far fetched.
The new Axis powers of Russia, China, North Korea and U.S.A against the European powers.
Considering sherlock holme’s famous statement “when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”
So then, yes; though one can hope.
USA’s secretary of defense is already saying that Ukraine should let go of the occupied territories, will not be allowed in NATO and will not get any security guarantees. Basically saying to let Russia win and opening the door for more invasions by Russia.
Well most of the rare earth materials Trump wants are in Russian occupied territory, or on the border of it.
yeah, that’s the only positive aspect, there may actually be a reason for conservatives to push for defending ukraine and regaining their land.
Yeah, but won’t Trump be busy with the Great War on Greenland, Panama and Canada?
I wouldn’t put it past Trump to make a deal with Putin so that he gets Greenland and can mine the fuck out of it’s untapped mineral resources.
I’m not sure how Greenland is Putin’s to give. Denmark has a military and Greenlanders wouldn’t just sit back and let themselves be annexed.
Oh sorry, I meant more like allying with Putin’s side if war breaks out for the potential of getting Greenland.
Unfortunately, if they could foresee the consequences of their own actions, the war in Ukraine wouldn’t even have started
Hey, it’s just a quick special military operation to Kyiv, in and out in three days! Surely nothing can go wrong.
IIRC there was talk after it went south that the yes-men around Putin had made him believe that not only would Ukraine not fight back, but the people would join the Russian troops in celebration for being “liberated” and help them, and that’s why they didn’t even think that failure was a possibility.
TBH it’s still early for evaluating consequences - it might still prove beneficial for Russia, especially with orange in chief.
They wasted hundreds of thousands in the meat grinder… The final outcome would have to be absolutely massive in favour of Russia for it to still be beneficial. Unlikely.
Depends on the perspective. To Putin it’s not a problem, for him people are expandable and cheap. You just write some laws and they grow again in his view. As the land grab is forever. Your and mine views are non-dictatorish and as such don’t apply to Russian imperialism.
Anything less than total victory will lead to economic collapse for Russia and at this point it’s pretty much impossible even with Trump in office. They are cooked in any case.
If they capture Ukraine, they will have a fresh pool of conscripts, not to mention Ukraine’s impressive military technology.
those people aren’t going to join the russian army willingly.
The country will resemble european afghanistan. it will be one of the bloodiest insurgencies in history.
the only reason a Ukrainian would willingly join the russian army is because he’s either a mentally handicapped traitor. or he’s furious at how the West betrayed and used his country like a pawn.
And a never ending insurgency?
Good point. Ukrainians doesn’t have that much of weapons and are heavily reliant on west. Except for drones, but at least some major parts are bought from other countries. But yes, it would increase Russian military to some extent, though I doubt Ukrainians would be good Russian soldiers.
Ukrainian conscripts will have a line of known-loyal barrier troops behind them with orders to shoot them if they fail to obey. Old Russian Army tactic.
Yes, sure, but that still doesn’t make them good soldiers.
russians aren’t known for utilizing good soldiers anyway. they are known for utilizing meat shields, though
The agency offers three scenarios that could occur if the Ukraine conflict stops or becomes frozen, working from the assumption that Russia does not have the capacity to wage war with multiple countries at the same time.
Man Europe needs to build up their military quick. Too long you’ve relied on the US but now the US is unreliable depending on who is in office
they’ve sat on their hands this entire time
they had a wait and see attitude until the US election came trump won, they wait and saw they sat on their hands some more.
Russia’s conventional military is cooked, but all they need to do is launch a few hundred missiles at Europe, and Europe will tear itself apart with countries refusing to honor Article 5, and bam. Fait accompli, NATO dissolves.
There was a serious military buildup in some more sane countries. Poland has spent the past few years buying up all the tanks everyone had.
the us has already started one in ukraine
hey ML. did you know that sucking the dick of a fascist doesn’t make a very good socialist?
hey fascist, you know you are the baddies right?
are you aware and enjoy the death and destruction your country brings into the world, or do you kid yourself you are the good guys?
Imagine simping for the russian mafia and thinking its supporting socialism.
imagine simping for us oligarchy thinking its on the right side of history
