Afatwa, or religious decree, issued by senior Iranian clerics calling for the assassination of U.S. President Donald Trump has attracted online funding worth tens of millions of dollars, reports say.

  • anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Did you know that it’s illegal to say, “I wish someone would kill the president of the united states”?

    Im not saying it, im just letting you know that it’s illegal. Like a public service announcement.

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    What are the stretch goals? I mean, we have a whole slew of shitbags the world would be better off without.

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      “The above sum ($40,286, 867) will be received by the people who have committed themselves to any freedman who will carry out the sentence of justice.”

      ($45,286, 867)

      “A photo of the deceased will be published.”

      ($50,286, 867)

      “A recording of their last words will be published.”

      ($60,286, 867)

      “Ol’ Pete will get the Russian resignation treatment.”

      ($65,286, 867)

      “Marco will get a special tea to drink.”

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      Bad idea if you live in a country with extradition treaty with the US.

      You could end up in gitmo for “providing material support to terrorist activity”, because that is technically what you are doing, money is material support.

      I can’t tell you what to do, but like if Iran actually manage to do it, it would be the best excuse to get Iran obliterated from the map, and most NATO countries will probably help with the invasion of Iran under Article 5, since that’s effectively like a 9/11 v2 (not in number of deaths, but in terms of being able to justify a foreign war).

      Iran performing the assassination is 100x worse than, say that nutjob in 2024 doing it. If trump die from that kid’s gunshot, there wouldn’t be much happening, but if Iran did it? In this tense political climate where 1/3 of the US population are in a cult? Can you even imagine all the lynchings against Muslims, Arabs, and anyone who “looks middle eastern”?

      Any soldiers or national guard that was bordering on “hmm, is this actually legal”, will now not even question their orders. Being anti-trump in the aftermath of this hypothetical assassination would be treated as almost as bad as supporting al-qaeda.

      Its not a good idea, IMO.

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        Why article 5? Is it not only valid if a country suffers an unprovoked attack? It will be hard to argue that bombing a country is not a provocation.

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          Because the US has intervened in the middle east for a long time before 9/11 and it was actuallt said to be bin laden’s motivation to attack the US. Look at what happened after 9/11; article 5 was triggered. They didn’t seem to think the US interventions in the middle east were a “provocation”.

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          Article 5 and Catch 22, which in this case would be formulated as, “They can do anything that we can’t stop them from doing.” One could make that argument, but who’d be listening?

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        You can get thrown in a concentration camp because your skin’s too dark and you weren’t carrying your ID, even if you’re a US citizen.

        That’s one of the side effects about tossing out the rule of law. If merely protesting or having a certain meme on your phone is dangerous, then might as well go all in.

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          But you also have to consider the “court of public opinion”

          Funding a foreign assassination attempt will only unite all of the right-of-center and take away some of support of “centrist”/“conservative” democrats. Bush popularity skyrocketed after 9/11, Patriot Act and all that.

          On the otherhand, some right wing nutjob young adult loser having nothing to lose and start targeting policitians left and right (like that kid in 2024), would be your best bet. There won’t be any “rally 'round the flag” effect.

          As we can all see with all the US interventions overseas, they clearly don’t work that well, that principle also goes if Iran tries to do their intervention in the US.

          And if you aren’t in the US, I’m not sure you wanna risk extradition. Donating money to an Iran sponsored assassination campaign is not an internet meme.

          I mean, sure if Europeans wanna send an the military to liberate the US, go ahead. But that €5 donation to an Iranian asasination campaign isn’t really gonna change the US by much and would only put yourself on an extradition plane to the US, because this isn’t a meme, you’re giving material support, so I doubt any of the western countries would deny an extradition request for material support. And even if that plan goes into fruition, you might make the US even worse and in turn, the US could start fucking up the world even more.

          Again, I’m not arguing against violence as a strategy, but you’re expecting nazis to be defeated simply by killing hitler, its not that simple.

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            Funding a foreign assassination attempt will only unite all of the right-of-center and take away some of support of “centrist”/“conservative” democrats.

            If it’s done in full seriousness, sure. But, the left can play the same game the right does. “Haha, it’s a joke, I just donated $10 to the kill Trump GoFundMe, isn’t that hilarious! What’s wrong, MAGA? Triggered? What snowflakes! Relax, it isn’t real, it’s just a joke. OR IS IT!? Haha, only joking, you thought I was serious. You MAGAs just can’t take a joke!”

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        If Trump were assassinated, I would celebrate, and donate to the assassin’s defense fund. I don’t care if MAGA Nazis consider me a terrorist. Fuck them and their treasonous, corrupt ignorance.

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        As he lived for creating chaos, his own death would make him happy. The man who destroyed civilization has a certain ring, doesn’t it?

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      Perhaps move to Iran first, then you can really appreciate the greatness of that society and their great struggle against evil.

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    Has there ever been an assassination that was motivated by a public bounty? And did the assassin successfully collect?

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    The problem is that Trump isn’t actually in charge. He’s just the figurehead who holds everyone’s attention.

    You’d have to remove half the supreme court, Congress, the electoral college, and the entire Heritage Foundation if you wanted a chance at fixing the US.

    Trump on his own is a bumbling toddler who couldn’t even make his own executive order to sign. I’d rather see him in a nursing home while the people who put him in power get tried for their crimes.

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      Yes, but since all the bumbling toddlers in the US vote for Trump, he’s a powerful figurehead. I mean, I’m all for killing the rest on your list too, but he’d be a fantastic start.

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        Starting with Dump would give us President Vance, who could mess things up faster

        Also more likely to cause a martyr situation starting with him

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          imo anything that makes this shit hit rock bottom more quickly so america can rebuild as a non-nazi nation is a good move

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      I realize theyre now all in office now, so you may be right. But did anyone notice how the bumbling idiot orange puppet was a critical part of gaining that power?

      He is certainly a puppet, but maybe without that puppet, it’ll be like trying to play He-Man when the kid next door took your He-Man figure.

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          He is crucial to their movement though. Most MAGA don’t give a shit about anyone else. This is a cult and without dear leader it will wither.

          If Iran were to turn Trump into a glob of orange meat (I mean, more than he is right now), the cult will freak out. Some will blame it on deep state. Clinton and Biden will be name dropped. But there will be nothing to keep the movement going. I think Project 2025 will start to wither as well because no one involved can capture the mob like Trump can.

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            Only to have Democrats fail to undo a single thing Trump did, just like in 2021. No matter how he dies, Trump and MAGA will haunt the USA for however long it has left before the inevitable collapse.

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            It won’t end with Trump. His followers are brainwashed and will happily follow the next con man like sheep, just as they follow corrupt religious leaders. Not a critical thought in their heads. And anyone but a Dem.

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      You’d have to remove half the supreme court

      Make that two thirds of the Supreme Court. Most of the worst decisions have been 6-3.

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    I don’t think making him a martyr would be a good idea. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t shed a tear if he passed with the worst agony I can imagine. But making him a martyr would make his agenda immortal.

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      Martyrs tend to be symbols to a cause. Trump and maga don’t have much ideology it’s more a cult of personality. Those tend to go away when the central figure dies.

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        I understand what you mean. But think of Hitler. Obviously his agenda did not die with him. But imagine all the numbnuts if he was assasinated on the peak of his power.

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          And to be fair, the easiest way to tell someone doesnt belong in society is when they start spouting hitlers views. A little litmus test, as a treat

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          thats exactly what he did. He killed himself before he could get captured because videos of him in detention and beaten senseless would diminish his legacy. Your example is prove of the other guy being right

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            Also, Hitler didn’t invent racism or antisemitism. His agenda didn’t die with him not because he was such a powerful figure, but because he was harnessing prejudices that have existed before apes even started to walk upright.

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      I’m unconvinced they can find a replacement for him that touches the nerve of all those hateful loons at once. Who are they going to have? JD Vance and his eyeliner?

      The next election they’d play the “Do it for Him” card, but I can’t see them queuing round the block to vote for anyone else. They voted for Donald because even in their politically sheltered lives, they’d heard of him and seen him on TV. As somebody who watched Boris Johnson rise to power, it really is as fucking dumb as that.

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      Worst take in the thread. Martyr or not his philosophy and his followers is “unbridled self interest” aka “fuck you, I got mine.” Martyrdom is antethetical to the cause.

      Somebody offing him would set a good example that being a corrupt, fascist leader is not a good way to get riches or a long healthy life.

      Am I saying anyone should do something? No.

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      I disagree. The people who want to make him a Martyr will make him a Martyr no matter what. The people who know what he has done will understand that him being killed doesn’t make any of that better.

      See the way all the other Fascists in the world before him were handled.

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        I don’t think you are wrong. But I think an assassination would be the icing on the idiot cake.

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        Nah, it needs to be supremely conspiracy proof. Too many people will believe it was assassination of it could have possibly been assassination.

        He’s an old unhealthy man, albeit with the best possible health care. His passing is moderately likely in an average day from health issues.

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          He also completely seems the type to leave a come-to-jesus meeting with his doctor about how he absolutely has to change his diet and start exercising and still hit the McDonald’s drive thru on the way home, so with a little luck, the best possible medical care won’t matter nearly as much as it could.

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            No doubt, but a cardiac event will have the best possible imaginable intervention. Might not be enough, but if anyone can pull through on the back of medical capability, it’s him

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      Further I think Trump is now the least of our problems with the Trump administration. I fear JD would be even worse.

      During the Biden term, the worst people built plans around a trump return to office and the relatively more strong execution this time versus last time is from those around him, not himself so much.

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      The martyr window would have been more during the campaign leading up to the election. That window is closed now.

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    Curb your Enthusiasm did a whole season about this. Should be relatively straightforward for him to get them to call it off as long as he follows their blueprint.

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      I’m picturing Taco dressing up as “Buck Dancer” and arguing over hotel staff about the proper handling of baked goods and whether they are “freshly baked” by the in-house chef, or just Pepperidge Farm products.

      🤣

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    “So how did you solve world hunger?” “First we had a go fund me to assassinate DT. Met our goal. Then we fulfilled our end of the bargain.” “Go on…” “The we defunded ICE, and solved world hunger. 120B goes a long way.”