• @[email protected]
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    5611 months ago

    bearly anyone who’s a boomer is playing these games or probs has ever played them short of seeing their kids boot it up. if anything these would be gen x shooters. People don’t seem to even know wtf a boomer is. boomer for gen z seems to = anyone over 40 lmao.

        • @[email protected]
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          611 months ago

          I claim gen x. I’m outside the range, but I have more in common with that gen than either millennials (my actual gen) or boomers (what everyone calls me). I mostly listen to classic rock (late 70s and 80s), still whine about removed MtG rules from the 90s, and my first video game systems were the Atari and NES.

          So if it’s okay I’ll just sit next to you. We don’t need to talk or anything though, I won’t be a bother.

    • @[email protected]
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      911 months ago

      I had a good laugh when I noticed this tag on steam yesterday.

      I think the reality is, “boomer” as a term is here to stay and a moving target: as gen x ages into 40+, they’ll become boomers. One day when gen Z becomes old, they’ll be called boomers. At least here, there’s a fun double meaning to the term. For me, I came into the Doom franchise at Doom 2, at an age where what I played was still very much influenced by my parents and friends’ parents. So yes, Gen X were the primary player base, but it’s not unfair to say the boomers often paid for the game and maybe sat down to a round or two of it. And given that, it might have been one of the last games they were able to sit down and enjoy. I don’t know if anyone else experienced something similar, but my dad in the last 20 years of his life or so really locked in on the 1997 MTG: Shandalar game, and despite several computer upgrades along the way was never interested in any of the newer MTG digital offerings, preferring the cards and UI and experience he was familiar with. And while similar with Doom that game was played by many Gen X and Millenials, I think those demographics mostly continued to follow the franchise through newer releases: but maybe not the boomers.

      • @[email protected]
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        1011 months ago

        I think the reality is, “boomer” as a term is here to stay and a moving target: as gen x ages into 40+

        This is a nitpick, but gen x moved into the 40+ age group long ago. As a gen Xer I’ll be in my 50’s later this year. 🤮

        And yeah, doom is peak Gen X probably.

        • @[email protected]
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          711 months ago

          In fact, millennials have begun turning 40 already. Not everybody agrees on generation cutoffs, but I don’t think there’s anyone who considers someone born in 1984 to still be Gen X.

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        “boomer” as a term is here to stay and a moving target

        Kind of like how “Millennial” for a while meant ‘teenager’ despite the oldest Millennial being 40.

    • MacN'Cheezus
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      811 months ago

      Technically, they’re all millennial shooters, because the entire genre was only invented in the 90s and mostly played by teenagers.

      In fact, boomers started a whole episode of “satanic panic” about them after it turned out that the Columbine shooters loved to play DOOM.

        • MacN'Cheezus
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          1111 months ago

          The first millenials were born in 1981, so yes, they were definitely teenagers by that point.

          • Altima NEO
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            411 months ago

            Isn’t it 82? Whole reason they’re called millennials is because they graduated high school in the “new millennium”. 81 would have graduated in 99.

            • wjrii
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              There’s rarely a strict cutoff for this sort of thing. If you’re on the edges, it’s sort of “whichever feels right”. I am only a year older than my wife, and we were both born in the late 70s, but I had a brother 7 years older than me and she was her parents’ first. Based on the TikToks she sends me, she identifies as a millennial. I am much more in tune with the Gen X zeitgeist.

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                Yeah the whole thing is just opinion and nothing official. Even Wikipedia 's definitions are based off others opinions. However to me, millennial makes sense as 82 and on being the first graduating classes of new millennium. I remember in elementary school they’d make such a huge deal about being the class of 2000.

                I’ve also seen another group cut into the early 80s as the Oregon Trail generation, as a way to for people who don’t associate well with Gen x or millennials.

        • Altima NEO
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          511 months ago

          Nah dude. I’m a millennial, born in 80s. I was a teen in the 90s.

          Gen x was in their 20s. They were the ones making these games, for the most part.

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            210 months ago

            John Carmack, one of the programmers of Doom, was 23 when Doom was released. (Born 1970)

            Just pitching in some additional info about who was making theses games.

    • @BigBlackBuck
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      I wish this wasn’t the case. I’m im my 50s, my dad is in his 70s, we have a standing get together every week to play COD zombies. People sometimes look at me like I’m crazy when I bring it up, but we have so much fun. He’s played FPS probably more than I have. So many fathers and sons have lost their connections over the years, but as long as we can both pick up a controller, we are fucking some zombies up.

    • @[email protected]
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      110 months ago

      Boomer became an insult for anyone vaguely older then zoomer. Millennials are also called boomers if they are out of touch as well. Then boomer just meant old. More importantly Boomer ends with er and so is more fun to say as Boomer Shooter over GenX shooter or old shooter of classic shooter.

      But this comment has big Boomer energy according to zoomers

    • Executive Chimp
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      111 months ago

      Yeah, boomer is shorthand for old person now. And these are games for old people. Because we’re old now.

  • Mike
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    2611 months ago

    Lol I thought the genre was called boomer shooter because you have an arsenal of guns that go boom while circle strafing and holding the mouse button.

  • NekuSoul
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    1311 months ago

    On a semi-related note: Is there a commonly agreed upon term for games like ‘Vampire Survivors’ yet and does it have its own tag on Steam?

    So far, I’ve only found ‘Action Roguelike’, but that one has a lot of games that are, well, action based Roguelikes, like ‘Binding of Isaac’ and ‘Risk of Rain’.

    • @[email protected]
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      511 months ago

      Horde something I think? Horde shooter is fps wave style games, so top down horde… Thing.

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      a commonly agreed upon term

      God, I wish. No, there’s like a dozen. Off the top of my head, I’ve heard

      Survivorlike
      Arena Survival
      Bullet Survival
      Reverse Bullet Hell
      Bullet Heaven
      Bullet Shooter
      Survival Shooter
      Autoshooter
      Horde Shooter
      Horders
      Anti-tower defence

      If any one of them gained prominance, we could have a steam tag, but nobody will agree, so here we are

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        110 months ago

        Yeah, it’s kinda telling when I explicitly ask if there’s a commonly used term yet and I get like a dozen of different answers.

    • @[email protected]
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      211 months ago

      Looks like bullet hell rogue-like, though I haven’t played it to know for sure. Search for those two genres together.

    • @[email protected]
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      111 months ago

      Bullet heaven is what I’ve heard as an antithesis of bullet hell. You’re the source of the bullets.

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      For Steam, not yet. Thy might eventually go the “Open World Survival Crafting” route and combine the popular tags to one, but for now they are Bullet Hell + Action Roguelike.

  • @[email protected]
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    1311 months ago

    What was wrong with calling them doom clones? That’s what they were called until gen z made OK boomer a meme

        • cannache
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          111 months ago

          No Quake was a real level up from Doom, at least graphics wise.

          Though I actually preferred the sprite graphics for smaller monsters, what I reckon would have been cool is if we could have a retro reboot of Doom 2 but with Quake style 3d monsters for mini bosses, and a whole Hexen remix/mashup but with UT style grenades and low gravity jumps and stuff

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      411 months ago

      If you call the whole genre doom clones then that means Doom is a doom clone. Kind of like the problem with ‘Souls-like’ games. Also calling them clones somewhat diminishes the accomplishments and inmovations of the devs within the genre.

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          And rogue-like, but maybe we’ve all accepted that it’s a bit broader than “just like Rogue” at this point.

            • @[email protected]
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              110 months ago

              It should be:

              • permadeath
              • randomized runs (maps and equipment)
              • usually grid-based movement

              The last seems to be an unpopular definition though.

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                Also some people would add not having upgrades or unlocks of any kind that persist between runs for a game to be considered a true roguelike, the idea being it’s you the player who learns and gets better to eventually be able to beat the game, and not because you failed 50 runs to get enough hp and damage upgrades.

                Which is why the “correct” term for most of the games is roguelite and not -like.

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                  110 months ago

                  Yup, that’s what I mean by permadeath, you start each run from scratch, though you may unlock access to content (i.e. open a new area, unlock a class, etc) that the next play through can access.

      • @[email protected]
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        311 months ago

        I disagree, it’s informative.

        Maybe Doom-like is better, since “clone” implies they didn’t add anything. It has worked really well for rogue-like, and souls-like has also evolved a bit to not just be “like dark souls,” but any game with a focus on hard boss fights.

    • SharkAttak
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      Yeah, I think some people don’t think of boomers as 70 year olds.

      • DefederateLemmyMl
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        211 months ago

        The same people who still think of millennials as people in their early/mid 20s instead of late 30s early 40s.

        • SharkAttak
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          TBH thou, like “millennials” has replaced “young’ins” for boomers, the same can be for millennials, “boomers” replacing “old man”.

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        Yup, my parents are right smack in the middle of the boomer gen ('50s) and we recently celebrated my dad’s 70th birthday by going on a cruise. They’re still somewhat active, but we still needed to take their age account (we did a couple small hikes as excursions).

    • Altima NEO
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      311 months ago

      The joke is that younger generations refer to anything older than them as boomer. Hence boomer shooter.

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    811 months ago

    They would be better called GenX shooters. Cheesy aaaand accurate!

  • Pistcow
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    511 months ago

    Weird. Considering us folk born in the early 80s got lumped with millennial. I was playing all the doom and doom clones in the library in middleschool.

    • @[email protected]
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      Yup, I’m a later 80s millennial, but I’m the youngest of four and my oldest sibling is at the top end of gen x, so I played lots of 80s and 90s games because that’s what we had available (first consoles were an Atari and NES).

      I played Doom as a kid and I played gzdoom as late as college with friends, it’s great fun! In fact, if someone mentions “Doom” in a conversation, I think of OG Doom, not 2016 Doom.

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    111 months ago

    Has anybody else noticed that boomer isn’t the correct generation for this nomenclature? It’s like people aren’t using words literally or something.

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    I call anyone younger than me a “coomer” and any unnecessarily complicated rougue fps is a “coomer shooter”. Does your game have a timer to purposely slow you down? Coomer game. I feel like the word “coomer” really captures the lifestyle and essence of today’s unintelligent and entitled kids.