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Fast-food chain Chick-fil-A has sparked a social media backlash after announcing that it will soon allow certain antibiotics in the chickens it raises, citing supply issues.
Chick-fil-A restaurants in the U.S., Canada and Puerto Rico will transition “from chicken raised with No Antibiotics Ever (NAE) to chicken raised with No Antibiotics Important to Human Medicine (NAIHM), starting in the spring of 2024,” the company said in a statement posted on its website this week.
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If the other choice is make less money then it’s obvious what corporations will do
I mean, lowering standards is a pretty common solution. A friend of mine who was a firefighter said they wanted more female firefighters - so they lowered test standards so they were able to pass.
Not sure if you’re a sexist asshole or referring to tests that were originally made to be sexist/racist to only prefer a specific type of person, like the Jim Crow Literary tests that were purposely difficult and confusing to stop black folks from voting.
Evaluations for firefighters have physical requirements. It is a physical job, men and women do tend to have different biological characteristics.
They were test to assure safety of human life, and women couldn’t pass them. So they lowered them. The biggest one was being able to carry a person of a specific mass out of an area within a specific amount of time, with all your gear on, in a smoke filled room. Few men were able to pass it, and almost no women. So they lowered the amount of weight and upped the time limit. Sometimes even just flubbed the women passing so they could reach diversity goals.
People will die because of it, but hey…women firefighters! WOO HOO!
Now the thing that’s really sexist, is denying sexual dimorphism exists within the human species and that men --in general-- can be better suited among the general populace for specific tasks when it comes to simple brute strength.
Women firefighters are currently fighting wildfires in my state and actively saving lives. Get fucked, chauvinist
That’s great! I never said I had a problem with that. For the women who can legitimately pass the test, that’s wonderful!
That’s the thing that’s really sexist, huh?
This is completely off topic, but here’s some facts for you, from someone who works at a fire department.
Those physical fitness tests were pretty arbitrary. They don’t have much basis in the job itself.
At most departments, physical fitness tests are for the application only, and a LARGE percentage of current firefighters couldn’t pass them just a few years later.
There are many, many jobs a firefighter does, and most of them do not require massive amounts of physical strength.
Firefighters deal with the public, and often in a medical capacity far more often than an extinguishing fire capacity. Having female paramedics available to run medical calls is very important for the community. This is the same for having a mix of employees from all socioeconomic groups that are in the area.
There are a LOT of fire departments that are switching to a more fair entrance criteria, and that is making the job better, not worse.I know you’ve just kind of had a knee jerk reaction here, but I don’t think women should be restricted from that field ya know…I’m perfectly okay with it.
People will die because of it, but hey…women firefighters! WOO HOO!
You clearly don’t think that.
I literally just told you what I think, and nobody could know that better than me, but…sure.
If you can’t tell though – I was clearly being facetious.
taking care of their chickens is not lowering their standards, its raising them
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Wawa as well. They have their own cows for their milk.
That god they don’t actually have to do that to have chicken standards.
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I don’t get the popularity of Chick-fil-A. Bland sandwiches and little variety.
It has a conservative Christian cult following due to the founder’s political and religious views.
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Turns frogs gay?
Extremely gay
No it doesn’t. It’s just generally immensely popular.
No, it’s both.
Yep. It was popular before that information was spread far and wide. After the information spread a certain group of people are now die hard fans.
First off, remember it’s fast food, standards are abysmal.
But it’s an actual piece of chicken, that’s actually prepared correctly.
If you got it in a sit down restaurant or even pub, you wouldn’t comment on it.
But compare it to any other chicken sandwich you could get from a drive thru in the last 20 years and the hype makes sense.
No matter where you are, if you see a chicfila you know you’ll get a decent chicken sandwich that isn’t ridiculously expensive.
A burger place isn’t going to do chicken as well as a dedicated chicken place, and KFC is a joke, so the only real competition for that niche is Popeyes on a national level.
I guess you can still call it good but they switched to Tyson on the East Coast like 10 years ago and yeah it’s bland and generic.
Dave’s Hot Chicken would like a word with you.
Well if there was one within a thousand miles of me Maybe it could
It’s also pretty expensive
KFC in North America could learn a thing or two from KFC in China. It’s their McDonald’s.
Twenty years ago? Probably?
Ten years ago? Doubtful
But the past few years have seen most of the fast food fried chicken places go hard on chicken sandwiches. And even mcdonald’s has stepped up their game to being actually pretty decent.
Mostly chikfila just coasts on their recognition from 20 years ago and the zealots who refuse to try anything else.
Incidentally you can tell which universe a person is from by how they spell Chik-fil-a
You spell it the way it was spelled in my original universe
Fast food also varies so much across the US. I talked up Chick-fil-A so much after having it in Texas, and then when I brought my girlfriend to one in Florida it was garbage.
in Florida it was garbage.
I’ve identified the issue…
Popeye’s is better. I’ve had Chick-fil-A once (bought for me) and it was exactly what it looked like: a chicken sandwich. It was a bit bland and watery.
Let me guess, someone bought it for you, let it sit in a bag for an hour, and then gave it to you…and you judge the entire franchise off this one experience
That’s a fucking weird guess. No. It was a client on site and Chick-fil-A was about 5 minutes gotten the road. It would be weird for my client to have ordered mine an hour before the fifteen people I was training.
My question is…why the fuck are you so defensive of a mediocre fast food chain?
Because it’s good chicken, and I think it’s hilarious that the groupthink has extended to where people are pretending it’s not, because that’s better politics.
Sorry but no, I’ve had a good amount of chicken sandwiches and it is decidedly mediocre and honestly no better than Wendy’s. You seem to think it’s not group think on the part of people raving about a mediocre chicken sandwich. That is a bit silly, don’t you think?
I recall asking why they thought it was so good and most of them said it was the sauces that you can get. I think one or two people mentioned the service. The sauces were okay but nothing special. I can’t comment on the service but that is not something I generally care about for fast food outside of making sure my order is right.
If juicy=flavorful then sure, it’s flavorful. I look for more though.
One thing I do like is that they have (the option of) whole grain buns… I’ve been unable to find that elsewhere.
Right wing chicken chain has loyal right wing followers
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To your edit, yes. This is Lemmy. Very strong echo chambers and if you don’t agree, you are wrong.
This place is getting worse by the day.
May 2023 and first I heard of it. I think this one got no attention.
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This is the only explanation that makes any sense.
Seriously. It’s like being in love with average quality.
In my city, the dive bar makes better chicken sandwiches. How depressing that people live like that.
In my city, the dive bars make phenomenal chicken sandwiches, which cost 4-5 times as much as Chick fil A, who makes a good chicken sandwich.
Your forgot expensive too.
Everything is expensive now
You are right. I’m going to cry in a pillow now
I’d cry in my pillow but I can’t afford one. Cries in late stage capitalist pre-apocalyptic dystopian Zeitgeist
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Reliable/consistent, fast.
No one gives a shit about the politics of the company outside of the permanently online
The peach milkshake slaps but the food sucks. Popeyes is better for God’s sake.
Of course I stopped going entirely after they said they stopped donating to LGBTQA+ groups and then got fucking caught doing it yet again so yeah fuck Hate Chicken
It is pretty much the pinnacle of “white people fried chicken”. American KFC (because Asian KFC is godlike) comes close but so many people never grew up beyond eating chicken tenders and bones scare them.
So you have inadequately seasoned chicken tenders soaked in pickle juice and people lose their minds.
And the strong focus on Christian Values, err, “Good service” means that nobody will ever be faced with the horror that is the realization that their satisfaction is not the only reason that someone is working in fast food.
I prefer “Dave’s Hot Chicken”. Large boobs, and lots of spice.
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Taco Bell isn’t that cheap anymore. I ate there not long ago for the first time in years and it was over 10$ for the basic taco combo, not even Supreme. And they sucked. They were almost completely devoid of fillings. They are on my eternal shit list now.
They’re not inexpensive.
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Not here. Here that’s the “normal” side, eating the homophobia jesus chicken is the minority.
Of course, all of the lgbt people I know eat also there, so I don’t feel the need to be performative about it, my friends won’t deride me for going they’ll ask for de-ride there.
Their fries didn’t even have salt when I tried them
It’s because the jesus is fresh with every meal, christian’s really eat that shit up
Chick-fil-A budget
Food $200
Data $150
Rent $800
Homophobia $3,600
Utility $150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my company is dying
Stop spending so much on homophobia
If you could get them to ignore their “moral compass” you could save them $4,416
Just tell your customers you upped the Jesus in every sandwich and they’ll overlook everything else.
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Fuck ChikFila and thier bigot sponsors.
Absolutely fuck ChikFila I haven’t spent a dime at ChikFila since they started all the anti lgbt bullshit in the 2010s.
I bought a sandwich for them when I read that they stopped doing all that stuff, of course they quitely started up again.
You really aren’t missing much. It is marginally better quality compared to any chain and lower quality than a real restaurant.
Fuck chick fil a. Since I worked there back in 2015, they’ve cut portion sizes by almost a third and raised priced by almost 50%.
I call bullshit. You can source antibiotic free chicken if you’ll pay for it, they’re just trying to extract more profit again.
Insofar as I recall they’re still one of the better fast food joints wrt worker treatment.
It’s a very mixed bag, due to the fact that most of them are franchises.
I remember when I quit and went to amazon, my hourly went up by more than 50%. I worked 20 hours less every week and for health insurance.
But there’s also some near me with signs up advertising $18/hour.
I find it almost impossible a religious business treats their workers well……THEY FUCKING WORSHIP god FOR SUCKS SAKE
I’m not defending chick fil a here, but this is some busted ass logic. I don’t see how worshipping god has any bearing on how they treat workers.
christians treating people like shit is my logic, like they have done for hundreds and hundreds of years. So it seems logical a christian business would treat people like shit.
As I said, busted ass logic.
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I hate to “actually” you, but i will.
In-n-out, another franchise known for treating employees very well, uses the same system for ordering with an employee outside walking from car to car.
The chik-fil-a near me, the outside workers all have lots of shade.
Be mad all you want, but be mad at things that exist.
The chik-fil-a near me, the outside workers all have lots of shade.
In Florida CFA drive thrus they wear little portable shade tents with built in fans, under awnings that cover the entire drive thru with multiple clusters of fans blowing down from them.
Still hot as fuck.
No other fast food place does it because “just standing” they don’t consider to be working and they ALL run skeleton crews now. Time to lean time to clean bullshit.
Just to be clear fuck Chick-fil-A as they also force their workers to buy $80+ jackets to deal with the weather.
I bet god spoke to the CEO one night as a burning sack of cash and said this was a great idea.
Popeye’s chicken sandwiches are better.
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How u have time to gaf about fast food?!?!
He asks as he gaf about some random Lemmy comment lmao
If the cooking oil is fresh, this is 100% true. That fucking sandwich is a banger.
The hard part for me is finding a Popeye’s that has fresh cooking oil. : (
Is it still going to be soggy and disgusting?
That’s the secret ingredient: homophobia
Have you…ever eaten at chick fil a?
Yes. The chicken is soggy and gross.
So, no.
I said yes. I’m not sure what is so hard to understand. The food there is horrible. It OK if you think its not that bad.
I mean, I don’t believe you. Their chicken is known to be good. Not just my opinion. Saying otherwise puts you in the small minority, and I think you’re only saying it because you hate their politics.
No evidence hits quite as hard as ‘people are saying it’ 🙄 totally disproves the soggy chicken comments people are also saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You can’t debate someone into liking a shitty product
I’m not debating, I’m calling them a liar
I am also laughing at this weird gen Z trend of having to pretend that if a company’s practices are horrible, their product must be horrible. “Starbucks coffee sucks” lol my dude, if you don’t like caramel flavored ice cream with whipped cream on top with a shot of espresso blended in, that is a you problem.
Or like every time there’s a vegan thread “yeah burgers are gross anyway” uh huh sure.
I think you’re all lying in an attempt to fit in.
I’ve heard they were good and tried it a couple of times. It was the worst fast food I’ve ever had. The worst was some little cafe in WInnepeg where they gave me fried eggs instead of scrambled. When I asked for scrambled, they took it in back and chopped up the fried egg, and cooked it a little more. That does not make scrambled eggs.
Entirely depends on when you go. At peak hours they’re frying chicken and packing sandwiches in advance, which means the unbreathable pouch they wrap and close off the sandwiches in cause the chicken to get VERY soggy if they aren’t sold quickly.
That’s fair. They always go fast here, but if they overestimated demand one day and some sandos sat in the pouch for a while I could see them getting soggy.
So you were wrong.
What are you, 8? Go suck a soggy sandwich
The chicken has always been moist-soggy. This was fine when everyone else had dry as fuck chicken. Now everyone else has figured out the moist-crispy sandwich and CFA just isn’t that great.
I’ve only eaten there a few times, but I don’t remember it being soggy.
Still hatin’ teh gheys tho
Rather they changed their politics instead of their shitty diabetes.menu
I’ve never been there because of their politics.
Good. Fuck hick fil-a
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They are facing a genuine supply issue. A different company made a sudden move because they wanted to maximize profits.
Tyson, one of the main chicken processors, killed their no-antibiotics program at the end of 2023. They moved from claiming meat came from chickens that had had no antibiotics used (NAE) to claiming no human-relevant antibiotics had been used (NAIHM).
The rest of the market can’t meet the demand for NAE, at least not in the short term.
“citing suppy issues”
Hmm… our supply of cash would be bigger if we cut corners over here. The thought of the potentially bigger cash pile is now bothersome to me.
Fuck chikfila, and fuck you if you spend your money there. Fucking bigots
Hey now, the chicken don’t taste homophobic.
are you regularly tasting homophobes to the point where you feel qualified to make that statement?
According to the Good Place if you eat their sandwich it means you hate gay people.
if you’ve bought anything there then you are contributing directly to people who fund and support the anti-lgbtq+ movement so yes, you cannot be a customer there and also support these social movements
While I agree with the stance that Chick-fil-a should be boycotted, I think declaring those who dont incapable of supporting lgbtq+ social movements only hurts said movements. Its not a zero sum game, and alienating potential allies is a losing strategy.
Plus, at least as an American, its damn near impossible to survive without spending money on products that caused harm somewhere along the line. Dont be so quick to throw stones, all our hands are soaked with blood, most of us are just too busy to notice.
Ironically enough, they hire shit tons of LGTBQ+ people in my area and the LGBTQ+ crowd fucking stans them.
Although I rarely eat there, maybe once or twice a year, this is all the justification I need.
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What do you mean ‘hates regular people’?
Making sure the chickens stay healthy is perfectly reasonable. Particularly if the antibiotics aren’t necessary for human medicine.
The antibiotics are used so that the chickens don’t contract infections and die from living in inhumane conditions.
This change allows them to increase their profit margin at the cost of animal welfare.
That’s zero sum, from the chicken-life perspective.
Die of infection or die by slaughter, their life isn’t changed by the variable in context.
Edit I’m saying antibiotics are not for the animal’s wellbeing. They are a tool to extract profit, and not let the chickens die at the wrong moment. That’s it.
Lol suffering means nothing! Us humans are gonna die at age 80 anyways. Might as well suffer for my adult life instead of living a happy life, what’s the difference, right?
My goodness, the lack of empathy for living creatures is just fucking wild. You can slaughter something AND not want it to lead a terrible life until its death, ya know.
Humans are clearly on a different territory from factory born animals for slaughter.
Again, antibiotics do not change their lived experience because they get no changes in conditions in return. Antibiotics are just for human profit
I’m afraid your sarcasm and irony were unclear despite the words used. But please correct that or me.
If you think antibiotics are to reduce animal suffering you’re deluded. It’s only to not let them die at inopportune times for the profit machine. The animals in factory farms are already experiencing suffering being belief and an early death is an escape.
I am not a proponent of routine antibiotic use in any animals (including us humans), unless it’s called for as in actually saving someone’s life.
I was caught at one of these moments where I wasn’t sure whether it was sincerely meant or humour, and tried to be mildly sarcastic about it.
Edit: Double checked. Thumbs up now.
Ah yes, nothing about your entire existence matters if the way you died wasn’t in an approved fashion.
Shit even if you just look at it in terms of the quality of the meat a stress free well fed animal will taste so much better than one that’s been stressed out its entire life fed literal garbage.
The article specifically said they’re only going to administer antibiotics to sick chickens and those in close proximity to sick chickens, not generally as a preventative.
“A chicken in house 7, row 15, cage B2769G72 was seen with pus buildup around its clipped beak. Destroy and incinerate that one and administer antibiotics to the rest of the chickens in row 15”
making sure the chickens stay healthy*
*profitable
