But golly it sure seems like going Right worked well for Republicans!
Funny how I heard the same concerns about Trump lol.
Nothing like a Third Way enlightened centrist who thinks we should water down factual policy to cater with ignorance on the right. It’s worked so well! Back to Hillary, amirite?
In fact let’s just run it back with a Hillary / Harris ticket, only this time we go to the right of Republicans!
I completely agree, but I don’t believe these points are mutually exclusive.
We lost them partly (but not exclusively) because we never stood by what we believed in. We just looked like Republican-lite; a spineless version of Republicans.
Nah, I believe that if the Democrats actually called out the problem that is the rich, like Koch brothers, like Murdoch, Like Trump, like Musk, like Bezos as far back as 2008 and truly road on a hope & change progressive economic populism that maybe we wouldn’t have arrived to the point where the rich could just buy out every legitimate platform for journalism out there in the first place.
This was decades in the making and weak, watered-down response to obvious corruption meant inches turned into miles.
Democracy is as much about persuasion as it is representation if not more so. Democrats have always been atrocious at even trying to persuade the electorate. Instead every cycle we partake in the definition of insanity, trying to reach the Ignorant and naive electorate on the terms defined by how Republicans have persuaded them. Naturally this moves the Overton Window rightward over…and over… And over again.
You said we’ve moved so far right that you’re practically a Dem now. Well now you know why.
Wake me up when my fellow Democrats start believing in something. When the keys of power within the party are actually handed to the ones who care, the progressives and not used to undermine them at every turn.
Oh, as if Bernie Sanders and AOC are silent on the issue or something?
The argument is well known in the public. Republicans simply label that thinking as socialist or communist and then the far left is easily shut down.
But hey, maybe if you talk more about the rich again, Occupy Wall Street will happen again and increase the power of the Tea Party even harder. Look at history and think about who actually benefited from that argument.
You’re throwing many peanuts from the peanut gallery without actually offering a more viable alternative solution. I’m alllll ears. So what is it, go to the right of Republicans? Oppress some minorities? What shall it be? Capitulate with fascists? Meet lunacy half way?
But golly it sure seems like going Right worked well for Republicans!
Funny how I heard the same concerns about Trump lol.
Nothing like a Third Way enlightened centrist who thinks we should water down factual policy to cater with ignorance on the right. It’s worked so well! Back to Hillary, amirite?
In fact let’s just run it back with a Hillary / Harris ticket, only this time we go to the right of Republicans!
I’m a former rural Republican by the way.
Your concerns don’t matter vs the media machine that is Facebook, WashPo, LA Times, TikTok, Twitter and more.
The simple fact is that the Left has lost every single media. Literally all of them.
I completely agree, but I don’t believe these points are mutually exclusive.
We lost them partly (but not exclusively) because we never stood by what we believed in. We just looked like Republican-lite; a spineless version of Republicans.
You lost them because Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post.
Or what? You think Washington Post’s opinion changed from left-leaning to right-leaning because of Gaza or some shit?
Nah, I believe that if the Democrats actually called out the problem that is the rich, like Koch brothers, like Murdoch, Like Trump, like Musk, like Bezos as far back as 2008 and truly road on a hope & change progressive economic populism that maybe we wouldn’t have arrived to the point where the rich could just buy out every legitimate platform for journalism out there in the first place.
This was decades in the making and weak, watered-down response to obvious corruption meant inches turned into miles.
Democracy is as much about persuasion as it is representation if not more so. Democrats have always been atrocious at even trying to persuade the electorate. Instead every cycle we partake in the definition of insanity, trying to reach the Ignorant and naive electorate on the terms defined by how Republicans have persuaded them. Naturally this moves the Overton Window rightward over…and over… And over again.
You said we’ve moved so far right that you’re practically a Dem now. Well now you know why.
Wake me up when my fellow Democrats start believing in something. When the keys of power within the party are actually handed to the ones who care, the progressives and not used to undermine them at every turn.
Oh, as if Bernie Sanders and AOC are silent on the issue or something?
The argument is well known in the public. Republicans simply label that thinking as socialist or communist and then the far left is easily shut down.
But hey, maybe if you talk more about the rich again, Occupy Wall Street will happen again and increase the power of the Tea Party even harder. Look at history and think about who actually benefited from that argument.
You’re throwing many peanuts from the peanut gallery without actually offering a more viable alternative solution. I’m alllll ears. So what is it, go to the right of Republicans? Oppress some minorities? What shall it be? Capitulate with fascists? Meet lunacy half way?
Talk to me.
Yeah. That’s the fucking point of this topic. Are you even looking at what topic you are in?
But yeah, let’s demonize the Democrat candidates even more. That way they’re even weaker come 2026 and 2028. Brilliant.
So… No better alternative solution?
Okay then.