No further info in the article as it’s breaking news. NBC broke into the inauguration to announce it.

Biden pardoned his entire family and their spouses as Trump directly threatened all of them.

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    15617 hours ago

    Giving his family the last train car out of germany before the third reich shuts down the border.

    • @[email protected]
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      44 hours ago

      Yeah sure, poor Hunter Biden is totally persecuted like the Jews and other minorities in Nazi Germany…

      • @[email protected]OPM
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        12 hours ago

        It’s not that he WAS treated that way, it’s that the Trump camp desperately WANTS to treat him that way. That’s why they all need the protection.

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          31 hour ago

          If the comparison to Nazi Germany would not be far stretched currently, then all these people would have left the country by now. A pardon by Biden would not provide any protection.

          Of course fascism is a process and i dont want to exclude that it can develop towards that. This can also happen faster than anticipated at first.

          But if the Democrats would have seriously believed in things to get this way, they would have acted very differently before and especially now after the election. Or they only cared about a fascist threat to the extent that they hoped to mobilize voters by it, but they aren’t really opposed to it. For me this makes the most sense as capitalist oligarchs historically always were open to fascism.

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      4917 hours ago

      They may want do just that. Do anyone believe Trump will honor these pardons. Also are they even valid if they haven’t been charged with a crime.

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        3216 hours ago

        It’s not about whether or not he honors them. The effectiveness of those preemptive pardons can be adjudicated by the SC. But there’s a couple of considerations on that front:

        • will the SC concur that blanket pardons in advance of any charges are actually allowed?
        • will Trump want to challenge that, since it would potentially kneecap any effort he makes later in that regard?

        But also:

        • will Trump or the SC give a shit about the blatant hypocrisy and double standard if they do strike down this sort of thing from Biden, but let Trump do it? (IMO probably not)
        • if the SC gives a shit but Trump doesn’t, what’s to stop him using leverage and/or stochastic terrorism to help accelerate the conclusion of one or more justices’ tenure so he can slip someone more agreeable in?
        • will the judicial branch even exist in an independent fashion in 4 years?

        TL;DR: who fuckin knows at this point

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        715 hours ago

        Their validity has never been constitutionally challenged. It’s not really been done much in the past, the notable example being Nixon and no one challenged that.

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        13 hours ago

        Also are they even valid if they haven’t been charged with a crime.

        Accepting the pardon actually requires admitting to the crime. So yes, the pardon is valid because the person has to go “yes I did this thing, and accept that I’m being pardoned for it.” You can’t selectively accept only the latter half of the pardon. And that admission and subsequent pardon means the state can’t charge them in the future, because they already admitted to it and were pardoned for it despite that admission of guilt.

        But to your earlier point, there’s not much stopping Trump from trying to go after them anyways; The SCOTUS certainly won’t get in his way.

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          213 hours ago

          There’s also some period between issuing the pardon and accepting it where a pardon can be rescinded. I would think Biden already had all these people accept their pardons in advance though…