A new bid to place a measure on the ballot that would ask California voters to approve the state's secession from the U.S. has been cleared for signature gathering.
There is a world of difference between the American Revolution and the US Civil War. For starters, the colonists had help from France. Secondly, Britain quit because it was both expensive and tedious to wage war across the Atlantic Ocean, and they had an entire empire to police, and native populations to exploit and massacre; unruly colonists that weren’t particularly profitable simply weren’t worth the effort. In contrast, the CAS and Union armies were largely fighting without help from other countries, and there was no ocean separating them. The result was that the US Civil War directly resulted in the deaths of 2.5% of the US population at the time; if that happened now, that would be 8.5M direct deaths.
The colonists won because Britain quit. The CAS lost to the Union decisively.
If we repeated the civil war today, I would anticipate that it would be far, far bloodier than it was in the 1860s, because it wouldn’t be rows of conscripts shooting at each other from point-blank range. It would be guerillas fighting on one side, and the other side bombing the shit out of cities and indiscriminately killing civilians.
There seems to be this idea that it’d be this nice clean break, everyone happy to part ways, and not, at the very least, embargos and trade war, and at the very most all out war. “America” would stand to lose a lot by having it’s coadtlines secede, to the point that they couldn’t allow it to happen. It would benefit no one in the short term, and I’m not sure it would survive into the long term.
You can absolutely do that, except that it would be amending the constitution, not changing the law. You might be able to get enough people and states to vote in favor of it, but I highly doubt it. Especially since California pays for a shitload of red states’ existence. Republicans don’t want CA to leave and take the CA money with it, they want CA to be forced to capitulate.
It was not legal and unconstitutional when the CAS seceded, and it will be illegal and unconstitutional if California attempts to do the same.
Wait till you hear what these thirteen cheeky colonies did back in the day.
There is a world of difference between the American Revolution and the US Civil War. For starters, the colonists had help from France. Secondly, Britain quit because it was both expensive and tedious to wage war across the Atlantic Ocean, and they had an entire empire to police, and native populations to exploit and massacre; unruly colonists that weren’t particularly profitable simply weren’t worth the effort. In contrast, the CAS and Union armies were largely fighting without help from other countries, and there was no ocean separating them. The result was that the US Civil War directly resulted in the deaths of 2.5% of the US population at the time; if that happened now, that would be 8.5M direct deaths.
The colonists won because Britain quit. The CAS lost to the Union decisively.
If we repeated the civil war today, I would anticipate that it would be far, far bloodier than it was in the 1860s, because it wouldn’t be rows of conscripts shooting at each other from point-blank range. It would be guerillas fighting on one side, and the other side bombing the shit out of cities and indiscriminately killing civilians.
There seems to be this idea that it’d be this nice clean break, everyone happy to part ways, and not, at the very least, embargos and trade war, and at the very most all out war. “America” would stand to lose a lot by having it’s coadtlines secede, to the point that they couldn’t allow it to happen. It would benefit no one in the short term, and I’m not sure it would survive into the long term.
Why not just change the law? Seems to be an option whenever other people want to.
You can absolutely do that, except that it would be amending the constitution, not changing the law. You might be able to get enough people and states to vote in favor of it, but I highly doubt it. Especially since California pays for a shitload of red states’ existence. Republicans don’t want CA to leave and take the CA money with it, they want CA to be forced to capitulate.
Right, because laws can’t ever be broken lmao
California will rise again?