Same, I’m really tired of the annoying Android logic. I wish we could have a logical OS where we could manage our files properly instead of the filesystem mess we currently have with stuff all over the place.
It didn’t matter when the phones just had a few megs of storage, but you can carry some serious data on those things nowadays.
That was one thing that was wild about the Palm WebOS devices. It was just plain old linux. Games? They were just Linux games using SDL. Porting WebOS applications to desktop linux would have been nearly trivial. It would have just been amazing if Palm had pulled it off (alas, they chased a single design, Blackberry-style with small form factor, which missed just so much of the market). The users were utterly oblivious to all this (which is good) and it was just the best combination of capable of great things easily with a power user and able to run whatever the casual user would have needed.
It was still before Android was pretty much a sealed deal in the market (2009 Android was still horribly rough) so it had a shot, but Palm just couldn’t pull it off.
Oh man… What a great phone. Awesome multi tasking. Wifi charging standard. A back button that actually worked. A slide out keyboard. They just could spool up an app ecosystem quickly enough to gain traction…
The apps may have been a bit anemic, but it was early enough that all the app stores were not great. They were certainly hurt by their initial “JavaScript only” stance.
Really painful was that they had exclusivity with Sprint of all carriers. That was a really limiting decision.
I think ultimately the singularly fatal issue was the HP debacle. The initial circumstances of the acquisition might have been ok for the platform. Thanks to some leaked material HP under Hurd actually seemed to have some vision for reinvigorating their consumer brand including an emphasis on former palm products. But Hurd was ousted and that whole initiative was canned and the new leadership killed the product line that they had just bought. Which was the most baffling call, they didn’t make room for some other smartphone or tablet platform, they just shrugged and killed off a product that was their only shot at relevance for a clearly exploding new consumer market.
Overlap with desktop Linux means support for that is support for these mobile Linux distros, and desktop Linux gets support from a range of people and companies, not just Google.
Same. They just don’t do what I need on my phone. Hopefully that changes, but PinePhone HW kinda sucks (poor battery life and audio quality), and most of the other phones w/ Linux support have some pretty serious caveats.
It does what i need it to do, make/receive calls, surf the web and play videos when i’m out and about. For gaming i prefer Steam deck or PC. Other than that i’m not a lover of smart phones, in general i think they suck. If i could make/receive calls from a steam deck, i would trash my phone in a second.
Not only that, but they apparently also get large amounts of donations in crypto currencies. They also allow donating via PayPal or bank transfer. They set up a whole Canadian non-profit foundation in 2023. GrapheneOS isn’t a small niche project anymore, it’s actually a sizable organization with paid staff (see https://grapheneos.org/hiring). @[email protected]
Imagine all of this talent going to work for grapheneOS and/or hardware company willing to make a phone with grapheneOS as its OS.
I’d rather see phones with Ubuntu Touch, PostMarketOS, and Mobian OS’s.
Same, I’m really tired of the annoying Android logic. I wish we could have a logical OS where we could manage our files properly instead of the filesystem mess we currently have with stuff all over the place.
It didn’t matter when the phones just had a few megs of storage, but you can carry some serious data on those things nowadays.
That was one thing that was wild about the Palm WebOS devices. It was just plain old linux. Games? They were just Linux games using SDL. Porting WebOS applications to desktop linux would have been nearly trivial. It would have just been amazing if Palm had pulled it off (alas, they chased a single design, Blackberry-style with small form factor, which missed just so much of the market). The users were utterly oblivious to all this (which is good) and it was just the best combination of capable of great things easily with a power user and able to run whatever the casual user would have needed.
It was still before Android was pretty much a sealed deal in the market (2009 Android was still horribly rough) so it had a shot, but Palm just couldn’t pull it off.
Oh man… What a great phone. Awesome multi tasking. Wifi charging standard. A back button that actually worked. A slide out keyboard. They just could spool up an app ecosystem quickly enough to gain traction…
The apps may have been a bit anemic, but it was early enough that all the app stores were not great. They were certainly hurt by their initial “JavaScript only” stance.
Really painful was that they had exclusivity with Sprint of all carriers. That was a really limiting decision.
I think ultimately the singularly fatal issue was the HP debacle. The initial circumstances of the acquisition might have been ok for the platform. Thanks to some leaked material HP under Hurd actually seemed to have some vision for reinvigorating their consumer brand including an emphasis on former palm products. But Hurd was ousted and that whole initiative was canned and the new leadership killed the product line that they had just bought. Which was the most baffling call, they didn’t make room for some other smartphone or tablet platform, they just shrugged and killed off a product that was their only shot at relevance for a clearly exploding new consumer market.
i will second this too!
Why would you rather see that over graphene? Don’t know enough about either
Because graphene is just android without makeup
Overlap with desktop Linux means support for that is support for these mobile Linux distros, and desktop Linux gets support from a range of people and companies, not just Google.
Same. They just don’t do what I need on my phone. Hopefully that changes, but PinePhone HW kinda sucks (poor battery life and audio quality), and most of the other phones w/ Linux support have some pretty serious caveats.
I’m using a pixel 3a xl with ubuntu touch. Works great!
I just looked and that seems surprisingly usable. I might just pick one up and mess with it.
Imagine using Ubuntu Touch with Waydroid for Android Compatibility. Would be sick.
It works actually. I use this option daily.
Whoa that’s cool!
What device are you on?
Pixel 3a xl with unlocked bootloader.
Oh nice that it’s still holding up. May I ask if that’s your primary daily driver?
It does what i need it to do, make/receive calls, surf the web and play videos when i’m out and about. For gaming i prefer Steam deck or PC. Other than that i’m not a lover of smart phones, in general i think they suck. If i could make/receive calls from a steam deck, i would trash my phone in a second.
I’m ready for Linux-phone, but maybe GraphineOS is my gateway. I’m tired of my iPhone not doing the things it should.
it is also doing a lot of shit it shouldn’t ;)
I’ve been trying to take ownership of my data and simplify my digital life. The greatest barrier to this by far is Apple/iOS.
Sure am glad I picked that walled garden 15 years ago, when I was none the wiser.
What do you want to know how to do?
Isn’t android technically linux?
I dunno to be honest.
Just give me mobile Debian, and I’ll be happier.
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Does grapheneOS have paid devs or is it all volunteer work? And if they do pay devs, how do they get the money to pay them?
Lead dev accepts donations for the project (username “thestinger” on github)
Not only that, but they apparently also get large amounts of donations in crypto currencies. They also allow donating via PayPal or bank transfer. They set up a whole Canadian non-profit foundation in 2023. GrapheneOS isn’t a small niche project anymore, it’s actually a sizable organization with paid staff (see https://grapheneos.org/hiring). @[email protected]
Yeah but AOSP practically does most of the heavy work for graphene.
ASOP fork, donation model (pay as you feel) pls.
Please voluntary redundancy google staff. Please
(Realistically I know this is a tall ask considering this is people’s livelihoods we’te talking about)
Sign me up babyyyyy