Somewhere in the streets of Russian-occupied Simferopol, the capital of Crimea, a woman puts a sticker on the wall. It’s a short message, but if she is seen doing it, she will face arrest, prosecution, and likely, torture.
The message is: "Soon, we will be home again." On another
Tell me more about these far-right NGOs. Which NGOs, and about how many of their “muscles” were in the protests in 2013?
I took that straight from the Reddit thread I linked, you can find more there (there are some links to other sources as well). There were dozens of far-right NGOs, some of the biggest ones are listed in Wikipedia article you posted (Right Sector, Svoboda, UDAR, Spilna Sprava, Misanthropic Division). By the evening of today dozens of our popular videobloggers made videos about USAID and Maidan. I’m getting kinda sick of digging through this stuff.
Here’s my reply to your comment elsewhere, off topic:
he wished he could live in Russia
I would only ever travel out of there once and never come back. I’m just envy that they can leave freely if they don’t like anything. We don’t have such option.
You said “I said it has open borders which is factually true. Also, last summer they paid their conscripts in Moscow 22k$ for a contract. Regarding “human rights”, well, lets try to count human rights. We don’t have the right to criticise our government and we don’t have the right to leave the country. Russians don’t have the right to criticize their government but they do have the right to leave the country. They also pretty much free to walk their cities and participate in whatever activities present there unlike our conscription-aged men who are only really allowed to participate in war.” Sounds like you envy a lot more about it than just the ability to leave.
paid thugs coming in rough up anyone who opposed it
I never said that.
You said “Apparently a lot of those far-right NGOs who were “the muscles” of Maidan were funded by west.” In general, you seem to think that without “the West”, Maidan would never have succeeded, which given how little the West as a whole cares about Ukraine is pretty laughable. But it’s hard for me to interpret this combination any other way than that the “muscles” were helping it succeed, and it wasn’t a genuine people’s movement.
Ukraine’s military was corrupt and mismanaging the war
Our government admit this and talk about it every day, yet they only fight each other and don’t do anything to fix it.
“Your” government has fended off an enemy which is outspending and outmanning it by more than an order of magnitude. Of course, this kind of thing happens sometimes with empires, but usually if the little country is incompetent, it stops working the instant that US troops leave the country.
I made this point, and you made a weird non sequitur about “caldrons” that didn’t really seem to grasp the core point that I was making.
I’m not really interested in the conversation anymore, I just wanted to respond since you made some specific points accusing me of misrepresenting you. That’s what you said, maybe my summary was sloppy. I’m just mostly not interested in what you have to say anymore, to be honest.
Also:
he wishes he could be in Russia where he could get $22k for signing up with the military
You’re again making things up about what I said. Also, you keep failing to understand the motives even though I explained them. You can just read it again more carefully.
You said, “And payment is laughable anyway. It would be really easy to boost morale if government decided to end forced conscription and paid to volunteers more than russia does. And it also could probably help to stabilize the frontlines. Given how much they steal I’m pretty sure they have more than enough money to pay more than russians 22k$ to volunteers as a single-time payment.”
Maybe you’re right, my summary was pretty inaccurate there. It sounded to me like you were pining for the higher pay, similar to my “envy” quotation above, but it’s true you didn’t explicitly say it.
Like I say, I’m mostly done, just wanted to respond to the accusation that I was lying about what you said.
I took that straight from the Reddit thread I linked, you can find more there (there are some links to other sources as well). There were dozens of far-right NGOs, some of the biggest ones are listed in Wikipedia article you posted (Right Sector, Svoboda, UDAR, Spilna Sprava, Misanthropic Division). By the evening of today dozens of our popular videobloggers made videos about USAID and Maidan. I’m getting kinda sick of digging through this stuff.
Here is Reddit thread I posted before: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/tg9zwp/what_evidence_exists_for_or_against_the_assertion/
Here’s my reply to your comment elsewhere, off topic:
You said “I said it has open borders which is factually true. Also, last summer they paid their conscripts in Moscow 22k$ for a contract. Regarding “human rights”, well, lets try to count human rights. We don’t have the right to criticise our government and we don’t have the right to leave the country. Russians don’t have the right to criticize their government but they do have the right to leave the country. They also pretty much free to walk their cities and participate in whatever activities present there unlike our conscription-aged men who are only really allowed to participate in war.” Sounds like you envy a lot more about it than just the ability to leave.
You said “Apparently a lot of those far-right NGOs who were “the muscles” of Maidan were funded by west.” In general, you seem to think that without “the West”, Maidan would never have succeeded, which given how little the West as a whole cares about Ukraine is pretty laughable. But it’s hard for me to interpret this combination any other way than that the “muscles” were helping it succeed, and it wasn’t a genuine people’s movement.
“Your” government has fended off an enemy which is outspending and outmanning it by more than an order of magnitude. Of course, this kind of thing happens sometimes with empires, but usually if the little country is incompetent, it stops working the instant that US troops leave the country.
I made this point, and you made a weird non sequitur about “caldrons” that didn’t really seem to grasp the core point that I was making.
I’m not really interested in the conversation anymore, I just wanted to respond since you made some specific points accusing me of misrepresenting you. That’s what you said, maybe my summary was sloppy. I’m just mostly not interested in what you have to say anymore, to be honest.
Also:
You said, “And payment is laughable anyway. It would be really easy to boost morale if government decided to end forced conscription and paid to volunteers more than russia does. And it also could probably help to stabilize the frontlines. Given how much they steal I’m pretty sure they have more than enough money to pay more than russians 22k$ to volunteers as a single-time payment.”
Maybe you’re right, my summary was pretty inaccurate there. It sounded to me like you were pining for the higher pay, similar to my “envy” quotation above, but it’s true you didn’t explicitly say it.
Like I say, I’m mostly done, just wanted to respond to the accusation that I was lying about what you said.
Enjoy: https://ponder.cat/post/1522382