• @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    9
    edit-2
    19 hours ago

    How do devs make this mistake

    it can happen many different ways if you’re not explicitly watching out for these types of things

    example let’s say you have a csv file with a bunch of names

    id, last_name
    1, schaffer
    2, thornton
    3, NULL
    4, smith
    5, "NULL"
    

    if you use the following to import into postgres

    COPY user_data (id, last_name)
    FROM '/path/to/data.csv'
    WITH (FORMAT csv, HEADER true);
    

    number 5 will be imported as a string “NULL” but number 3 will be imported as a NULL value. of course, this is why you sanitize the data (GIGO) but I can imagine this happening countless times at companies all over the country

    there are easy fixes if you’re paying attention

    COPY user_data (id, last_name)
    FROM '/path/to/data.csv'
    WITH (FORMAT csv, HEADER true, NULL '');
    

    sets the empty string to NULL value.


    example with js

    fetch('/api/user/1')
      .then(response => response.json())
      .then(data => {
        if (data.lastName == "null") {
          console.log("No last name found");
        } else {
          console.log("Last name is:", data.lastName);
        }
      });
    

    if data is

    data = {
      id: 5,
      lastName: "null"
    };
    

    then the if statement will trigger- as if there was no last name. that’s why you gotta know the language you’re using and the potential pitfalls

    now you may ask – why not just do

    if (data.lastName === null)
    

    instead? But what if the system you’re working on uses JSON.parse(data) and that auto-converts everything to a string? it’s a very natural move to check for the string "null"

    obviously if you’re paying attention and understand the pitfalls of certain languages (like javascript’s type coercion and the particularities of JSON.parse()) it becomes easy but it’s something that is honestly very easy to overlook

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      315 hours ago

      Like you said, GIGO, but I can’t say I’m familiar with any csv looking like that. Maybe I’m living a lucky life, but true null would generally be an empty string, which of course would still be less than ideal. From a general csv perspective, NULL without quotes is still a string.

      If “NULL” string, then lord help us, but I would be inclined to handle it as defined unless instructed otherwise. I guess it’s up to the dev to point it out and not everyone cares enough to do so. My point is these things should be caught early.

      I’ll admit I’m much more versed in mysql than postgres.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        13 hours ago

        really it’s a cautionary tale about the intersections of different technologies. for example, csv going into a sql database and then querying that database from another language (whether it’s JS or C# or whatever)

        when i was 16 and in driver’s ed, I remember the day where the instructor told us that we were going to go drive on the highway. I told him I was worried because the highway sounds scary- everybody is going so fast. he told me something that for some weird reason stuck with me: the highway is one of the safest places to be because everybody is going straight in the same direction.

        the most dangerous places to be, and the data backs this up, are actually intersections. the points where different roads converge. why? well, it’s pretty intuitive. it’s where you have a lot of cars in close proximity. the more cars in a specific square footage the higher probability of a car hitting another car.

        that logic follows with software too. in a lot of ways devs are traffic engineers controlling the flow of data. that’s why, like you said, it’s up to the devs to catch these things early. intersections are the points where different technologies meet and all data flows through these technologies. it’s important to be extra careful at these points. like in the example i gave above…

        the difference between

        WITH (FORMAT csv, HEADER true);
        

        and

        WITH (FORMAT csv, HEADER true, NULL '');
        

        could be the difference between one guy living a normal life and another guy receiving thousands of speeding tickets https://www.wired.com/story/null-license-plate-landed-one-hacker-ticket-hell/