• @Semjaza
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    417 hours ago

    Chinese Civil War pII?

    Korean War?

    Vietnam War?

    Tap for spoiler

    and Secret War and Third Sino-Vietnamese War?

    6 Day War?

    Somalian Civil War?

    Nigerian Civil War?

    Yemeni Civil War?

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      18 hours ago

      75 million people is the estimated death tool of WW2.

      For comparison Vietnam war has an estimation of 1.3 million deaths.

      • @Semjaza
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        7 hours ago

        Yes. The Second World War had a deathtoll about 60 times higher. (.3 is much more than I gave it credit for.)

        Korean War probably more than 3 million.

        Returning to smaller scale war is not an end of war. Nor even close to ending wars. Imperialism causes wider ranging wars is all, as whole networks of military apparatus are mobilised. Modern empires are more nebulous.

        Edit: also, your WW2 figure is including civilians and acts of genocide. I think your Vietnamese figure is combatants only.

    • 𝔼𝕩𝕦𝕤𝕚𝕒
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      416 hours ago

      We have dubbed this span since 1945 “the long peace” which largely this refers to there not being 2 or more wealthy nations in a hot war since the end of WW2. It’s been proxy wars pitting poorer nations against each other - armed by rich nations, and wealthy nations going to war with poorer nations. (Poorer nations going to war and civil wars nonwithstanding because they do not impact global politics)

      • @Semjaza
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        410 hours ago

        That was more my point.

        Exporting the death and suffering to far off parts of the world and calling it world peace. The only difference with Ukraine is it is closer to home, for most of the G7 anyhow.

    • @[email protected]
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      112 hours ago

      The fact that most of those are considered a “civil war” should tell you everything.

      WW2 involved multiple nations on both sides, and resulted in millions of deaths. The closest to that was the Korean War, which had Russian pilots flying for Korea, and flying from Chinese bases.

      Like I said, nothing on the scale of ww2.

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        10 hours ago

        Yes, the Korean war was the biggest with soldiers from dozens of countries dying in action, with a localised theatre.

        But how many of those civil wars were hot parts of the Cold War? Can we not lump them into a single Cold War total?

        The death toll of the world wars is huge, but equally the death tolls of the strife across Saharan and Central Africa and the Middle East isn’t insignificant. Do we just leave it off the record because the combatants are only our proxies? Fighting with our guns, for our benefit, rather than a war on land we’ve yet to relinquish control over?

        Edit: though I’ve gone on a massive tangent. My original point that I let my mind forget and spout off on a tangent, was that there have been lots of wars with coalitions of allies feeding arms to the sides, as we now see in Ukraine in the intervening 70 years. Just less close to home.