Look, I was trying to come up with some good hearted explanation for men’s behavior (something about not being able to put themselves into womens shoes) because I didn’t want to get downvoted to shit again, but frankly I don’t care anymore.
Because it mostly comes down to women being fucking horrible communicators and having chronic indecisiveness.
? I’m a Dominatrix, my experience of women and as a woman is that they are excellent communicators (women are actually famously good communicators) and not indecisive (unless you’re trying to be pushy and force them into something they dislike?). Both men and women who are new to exploring their sexuality will not know what they like, but that’s just part of being new to something.
I’ve gone to sex clubs, try it some time. They usually have strict consent rules and staff to help deal with conflicts. Saying No is not usually an issue there, because there’s rules in place for how to approach women and what you must do when they say no.
If a woman isn’t interested in discussing sex with men she doesn’t like, she doesn’t have to. It’s important to have and express boundaries - that’s a key part of healthy sex. That includes a boundary of not talking about sex with men she doesn’t want to.
Don’t you think that a little biased? We can all pick some fring cases from bith sides of the bell curve but thats not in good faith. Businesses like sex clubs kind of depend on clear communication, don’t they? So people who can’t adhere to that naturaly get filtered out.
But if the stakes are lowered, most men’s experience is that women are barely comprehensible.
“What restaurant do you want to go to?”
“Do you know what you’re going to wear tonight?”
“Should we get those curtains, or the other ones?”
“Do you also want fries with your Burger, too?”
“What soap do you think smells better?”
As a side note, recently got a new room mate and on the first evening we randomly chatted about our music taste for 2 hours straight.
I’ll be damned if I even get a favorite genre out of a woman, yet alone a song. It’s insanity. Women don’t even know what they like themselves.
It think the main difference is that women like having options just as much as having the actual thing. When pressed to make a decision on the spot they tend to divert. Women tend to make better informed decisions but can’t fully communicate their decision making process, while men like to get the decision out if the way quickly. Men usually don’t like to keep things open because they don’t know when another opportunity is going to arise or if there’s even going to be another one at all.
I know it’s hard to believe but men tend to not get a lot of options when it comes to most things, despite this being a “man’s world”. Businesses love men more because we are so easily replaceable, not because we “know what’s up”. Everywhere in the world men get swallowed, chewed out and spit out, the more so, the more men try to cling to every bit of power they can get. Usually if a man complains about his comfort it’s not because something simply bothers him but because conditions have gotten borderline hell-like. Men aren’t just opportunistic, we make decisions faster because when we are finally presented with one we are in the verge of collapse, so the quickest most simple solution is usually the best in our eyes. I feel like women don’t see that about men. They see the options that men get (that they maybe don’t get themselves) without understanding why this option is there in the first place. Men don"t get opportunities out of the kindess of others hearts, men get get them to keep them mildly contempt.
Do women think that men aren’t scared if other men, and what they might do? Why is fear monopolized by women? Men try to keep themselves happy because who else is going to do all the dirty work that need to be done to keep this rock spinning?
No true scotsman fallacy for women’s sexuality? Lol.
Yes, sex clubs enforce rules regarding consent as best as they can, so someone like you who isn’t used to clear communication could benefit from going and speaking with someone and understanding what that’s like. It could tell you more about yourself.
I will say that most of the same people who play DND, go to Comic Con, Renn Faires, are at sex clubs. They even have DND nights at some sex clubs. DND also gives people an ability to understand consent including with what we discuss, and to be able to have meta discussions and step outside of our egos.
most men’s experience is that women are barely comprehensible
No, that’s just you and some younger and inexperienced men. Women are just people. People are people.
recently got a new room mate and on the first evening we randomly chatted about our music taste for 2 hours straight.
You’re gay. That’s not the fault of women.
Women don’t even know what they like themselves.
Yes, they do. They just don’t tell you because you give off unsafe vibes. They literally don’t trust you so they pretend to not have opinions en masse. Reflect on that.
Some inexperienced sex partners may not know what physical acts they like, but they can generally describe porn or other fantasies they like as a starting point if they trust you.
When pressed to make a decision on the spot they tend to divert.
Yes, if being pressed by another person arbitrarily to make a decision, many people retain their power by refusing to give you an answer. This annoys you so you try to triangulate them with men’s behavior. It’s not that they can’t make a decision, it’s that they are checking your sense of entitlement in demanding one from them in the first place. Why do you get to police women’s decisions? It’s simply that you extend patience to men and don’t rush them, or otherwise you’d be getting these power struggles with them too. You like men. Be honest about it.
The more you say men are victims compared to women, the harder I beat my male subs while laughing maniacally and they thank me. Your opinions on women are wrong. Abortion laws alone, the laws that will make it so married women can’t vote because they had a name change, the laws affecting transwomen, all show we don’t have it easier.
Usually if a man complains about his comfort it’s not because something simply bothers him but because conditions have gotten borderline hell-like.
This is an example of being a bad communicator and also being unaware of your boundaries (emotionally or physically unaware and uneducated).
You spend a lot of time assuming you know what women think for someone claiming he’s a man. Are you sure you consider yourself a man? This is all heavy pickme energy, a self hating woman, and it’s just wrong. Like watch Sex and the City or like Sarah Silverman or Sex Lives of College Girls or whatever. There’s a million examples counteracting what you’re saying. So why rabidly stick to this weird, rigid narrative?
Do women think that men aren’t scared if other men, and what they might do?
No. They don’t think that.
Why is fear monopolized by women?
It isn’t
Men try to keep themselves happy because who else is going to do all the dirty work that need to be done to keep this rock spinning?
Women disproportionately are in fields with child rearing, nursing, veterinary work, cleaning, and cooking - very dirty jobs that are necessary. That you dismiss women’s labor as nothing is misogyny.
Also, we ALL are keeping ourselves happy because anything else is codependency and we are mature adults who take care of our own feelings. You’re not entitled to the emotional labor of women. Get a fucking hobby like DND, go to a nerd shop, make friends in your community.
Jesus, talking about proving my point. You just put hundreds of words in my mouth that I never said.
The more you say men are victims compared to women, the harder I beat my male subs while laughing maniacally and they thank me.
That is a fucked up think to say. Imagine being so vurnable to someone only to find out they just use you to exercise their personal misandristic vendaetta with physical violence.
Yes, sex clubs enforce rules regarding consent as best as they can, so someone like you who isn’t used to clear communication could benefit from going and speaking with someone and understanding what that’s like.
Honestly, after your last statement I’m kind of afraid of what kind of explotation masked as “progressiveness” and “self expression” might go on there.
You’re gay. That’s not the fault of women.
The hell kinda statement is that? I’m a tenant in a shared house, I don’t get to pick my room mates. I just try to get along with people and make good conversation. How is it gay if I happen to easily vibe with someone?
Apparently, Its even worse than I thought. Most other men would never judge you on such a statment and simply be happy for you, but there are apperently women that will gladly securitize and mislabel you right of the bat. Is that the inclusiveness you’re trying to sell?
No, that’s just you and some younger and inexperienced men. Women are just people. People are people.
The general conccessus is that younger unexperienced men try harder to understand women because they are under the impression that it will put them in their favor. Older men usually don’t bother anymore. They understand what they have to do to keep the yapping in check and this will mostly be enough till death will do them appart.
child (b)earing, nursing, veterinary work, cleaning, and cooking - very dirty jobs that are necessary
I meant dirty work in the most literal sense. Sewage, trash collection, sanitation, oil rigs, mining quarries, etc. Every Monday morning I catch the trash collector guys in my neighborhood, never in my life have I seen a woman in a neon orange jumper hanging off of a garbage truck. But I’ve seen a whole lot of male nurses, cleaning crews or cooks before. Don’t act like women will gladly pick up all men’s actual dirty jobs if they would be fed up with them.
Like watch Sex and the City or like Sarah Silverman or Sex Lives of College Girls or whatever.
I’ve grown up in the 2000’s of course I’ve seen all the Sex and the Cities and Sarah Silverman (in my opinion) is an one of the all time greats. But maybe we shouldn’t base our view of reality on fictionalized work? What’s next you gonna cite some of your AO3 bookmarks as your sources of knowledge? Come on getthefuckoutahere with that shit.
Also, we ALL are keeping ourselves happy because anything else is codependency and we are mature adults who take care of our own feelings.
No, even fully grown men can find a cool stick on the ground and it will make their whole day. Women need 5 pillars of globalized industry, same day delivery with a free return policy and idealy sombody else to foot the bill to make them be a little bit less annoyed. That’s why men start digging holes at the beach with their bare hands and women use a 10 MP front facing camera in a $1000 phone with a stabilized selfie stick and a 20000mAh powerbank to take vacation pictures.
Imagine being so vurnable to someone only to find out they just use you to exercise their personal misandristic vendaetta with physical violence.
I’m a Dominatrix. It’s what they seek me out for and pay me to do. It’s what they want. Their boundaries are different than yours.
Honestly, after your last statement I’m kind of afraid of what kind of explotation masked as “progressiveness” and “self expression” might go on there.
Consensual BDSM scares you? I thought we were getting rid of the taboo around sex, no? There are some clubs that are vanilla only.
The only people you find romantic companionship with, per your comments, are men. That makes you homoromantic at minimum. If your sexuality issues weren’t literally causing you to be a misogynist and hurt women, I wouldn’t say anything. But yeah, you like men more because you LIKE men more. Download Grindr and leave women alone.
They understand what they have to do to keep the yapping in check and this will mostly be enough till death will do them appart.
No but here is another paragraph where you edge yourself to how much more amazing men are than women. That’s not a straight man thing to do. Straight men typically compete with other men for women’s approval. YOU, however, are competing with other WOMEN for MEN’S approval.
I meant dirty work in the most literal sense. Sewage, trash collection, sanitation, oil rigs, mining quarries, etc
Sewage - like changing dirty diapers? Cleaning up vomit and blood? Pus from abscesses? Bloody diarrhea, c diff infections? Trash collection, sanitation- like cleaning, yet again? Housekeeping? And I’ve mined, welded, and worked on farms with other women so try again there. The reason women can’t stay in those fields is that they get isolated with men and it endangers them, plus men haze women out of blue collar jobs. Ask any woman in those fields, there’s enough of them online.
Don’t act like women will gladly pick up all men’s actual dirty jobs if they would be fed up with them
Yet again jacking off to men, you can’t stop yourself. Recommend reading the book Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine - yes women can and already do any job men do. Is this like 1805 or something? How is this news to you?
Sarah Silverman (in my opinion) is an one of the all time greats.
She is literally the opposite of everything you claim women must be.
No, even fully grown men can find a cool stick on the ground and it will make their whole day. Women need 5 pillars of globalized industry,
More made up jacking off to men good women bad.
My take? You want to be a submissive woman, and you want a daddy to come in and take care of you and beat you for being a woman because you hate yourself. Everything you type fits that archetype.
Ironically if you were nice to women, they’d show you how to dress up and put on makeup and wigs and include you so you can attract the man of your dreams and stop being shitty to us.
idealy sombody else to foot the bill to make them be a little bit less annoyed.
If you don’t understand why women deserve capital from men, just say that. I already understand you have a slave woman kink to men. You’ve made that abundantly clear.
That’s why men start digging holes at the beach with their bare hands
Lol how are you able to type while sucking off a guys cock and stroking two others? Amazing work
That goes for society in general & we can’t pin that on women.
Look at autists try to navigate social situations to observe how complicated neurotypicals make something that could be straightforward.
Simple, clear directness often takes boldness & isn’t typically rewarded.
Learning not to give a fuck takes effort.
Women & people in general don’t know who they’re dealing with & don’t owe them much of anything.
How about we also normalize men being okay with being told no?
Look, I was trying to come up with some good hearted explanation for men’s behavior (something about not being able to put themselves into womens shoes) because I didn’t want to get downvoted to shit again, but frankly I don’t care anymore.
Because it mostly comes down to women being fucking horrible communicators and having chronic indecisiveness.
Figure your shit out.
? I’m a Dominatrix, my experience of women and as a woman is that they are excellent communicators (women are actually famously good communicators) and not indecisive (unless you’re trying to be pushy and force them into something they dislike?). Both men and women who are new to exploring their sexuality will not know what they like, but that’s just part of being new to something.
I’ve gone to sex clubs, try it some time. They usually have strict consent rules and staff to help deal with conflicts. Saying No is not usually an issue there, because there’s rules in place for how to approach women and what you must do when they say no.
If a woman isn’t interested in discussing sex with men she doesn’t like, she doesn’t have to. It’s important to have and express boundaries - that’s a key part of healthy sex. That includes a boundary of not talking about sex with men she doesn’t want to.
Don’t you think that a little biased? We can all pick some fring cases from bith sides of the bell curve but thats not in good faith. Businesses like sex clubs kind of depend on clear communication, don’t they? So people who can’t adhere to that naturaly get filtered out.
But if the stakes are lowered, most men’s experience is that women are barely comprehensible.
“What restaurant do you want to go to?”
“Do you know what you’re going to wear tonight?”
“Should we get those curtains, or the other ones?”
“Do you also want fries with your Burger, too?”
“What soap do you think smells better?”
As a side note, recently got a new room mate and on the first evening we randomly chatted about our music taste for 2 hours straight.
I’ll be damned if I even get a favorite genre out of a woman, yet alone a song. It’s insanity. Women don’t even know what they like themselves.
It think the main difference is that women like having options just as much as having the actual thing. When pressed to make a decision on the spot they tend to divert. Women tend to make better informed decisions but can’t fully communicate their decision making process, while men like to get the decision out if the way quickly. Men usually don’t like to keep things open because they don’t know when another opportunity is going to arise or if there’s even going to be another one at all.
I know it’s hard to believe but men tend to not get a lot of options when it comes to most things, despite this being a “man’s world”. Businesses love men more because we are so easily replaceable, not because we “know what’s up”. Everywhere in the world men get swallowed, chewed out and spit out, the more so, the more men try to cling to every bit of power they can get. Usually if a man complains about his comfort it’s not because something simply bothers him but because conditions have gotten borderline hell-like. Men aren’t just opportunistic, we make decisions faster because when we are finally presented with one we are in the verge of collapse, so the quickest most simple solution is usually the best in our eyes. I feel like women don’t see that about men. They see the options that men get (that they maybe don’t get themselves) without understanding why this option is there in the first place. Men don"t get opportunities out of the kindess of others hearts, men get get them to keep them mildly contempt.
Do women think that men aren’t scared if other men, and what they might do? Why is fear monopolized by women? Men try to keep themselves happy because who else is going to do all the dirty work that need to be done to keep this rock spinning?
No true scotsman fallacy for women’s sexuality? Lol.
Yes, sex clubs enforce rules regarding consent as best as they can, so someone like you who isn’t used to clear communication could benefit from going and speaking with someone and understanding what that’s like. It could tell you more about yourself.
I will say that most of the same people who play DND, go to Comic Con, Renn Faires, are at sex clubs. They even have DND nights at some sex clubs. DND also gives people an ability to understand consent including with what we discuss, and to be able to have meta discussions and step outside of our egos.
No, that’s just you and some younger and inexperienced men. Women are just people. People are people.
You’re gay. That’s not the fault of women.
Yes, they do. They just don’t tell you because you give off unsafe vibes. They literally don’t trust you so they pretend to not have opinions en masse. Reflect on that.
Some inexperienced sex partners may not know what physical acts they like, but they can generally describe porn or other fantasies they like as a starting point if they trust you.
Yes, if being pressed by another person arbitrarily to make a decision, many people retain their power by refusing to give you an answer. This annoys you so you try to triangulate them with men’s behavior. It’s not that they can’t make a decision, it’s that they are checking your sense of entitlement in demanding one from them in the first place. Why do you get to police women’s decisions? It’s simply that you extend patience to men and don’t rush them, or otherwise you’d be getting these power struggles with them too. You like men. Be honest about it.
The more you say men are victims compared to women, the harder I beat my male subs while laughing maniacally and they thank me. Your opinions on women are wrong. Abortion laws alone, the laws that will make it so married women can’t vote because they had a name change, the laws affecting transwomen, all show we don’t have it easier.
https://weta.org/watch/shows/independent-lens/half-sky-turning-oppression-opportunity-ep-1
This is an example of being a bad communicator and also being unaware of your boundaries (emotionally or physically unaware and uneducated).
You spend a lot of time assuming you know what women think for someone claiming he’s a man. Are you sure you consider yourself a man? This is all heavy pickme energy, a self hating woman, and it’s just wrong. Like watch Sex and the City or like Sarah Silverman or Sex Lives of College Girls or whatever. There’s a million examples counteracting what you’re saying. So why rabidly stick to this weird, rigid narrative?
No. They don’t think that.
It isn’t
Women disproportionately are in fields with child rearing, nursing, veterinary work, cleaning, and cooking - very dirty jobs that are necessary. That you dismiss women’s labor as nothing is misogyny.
Also, we ALL are keeping ourselves happy because anything else is codependency and we are mature adults who take care of our own feelings. You’re not entitled to the emotional labor of women. Get a fucking hobby like DND, go to a nerd shop, make friends in your community.
Jesus, talking about proving my point. You just put hundreds of words in my mouth that I never said.
That is a fucked up think to say. Imagine being so vurnable to someone only to find out they just use you to exercise their personal misandristic vendaetta with physical violence.
Honestly, after your last statement I’m kind of afraid of what kind of explotation masked as “progressiveness” and “self expression” might go on there.
The hell kinda statement is that? I’m a tenant in a shared house, I don’t get to pick my room mates. I just try to get along with people and make good conversation. How is it gay if I happen to easily vibe with someone?
Apparently, Its even worse than I thought. Most other men would never judge you on such a statment and simply be happy for you, but there are apperently women that will gladly securitize and mislabel you right of the bat. Is that the inclusiveness you’re trying to sell?
The general conccessus is that younger unexperienced men try harder to understand women because they are under the impression that it will put them in their favor. Older men usually don’t bother anymore. They understand what they have to do to keep the yapping in check and this will mostly be enough till death will do them appart.
I meant dirty work in the most literal sense. Sewage, trash collection, sanitation, oil rigs, mining quarries, etc. Every Monday morning I catch the trash collector guys in my neighborhood, never in my life have I seen a woman in a neon orange jumper hanging off of a garbage truck. But I’ve seen a whole lot of male nurses, cleaning crews or cooks before. Don’t act like women will gladly pick up all men’s actual dirty jobs if they would be fed up with them.
I’ve grown up in the 2000’s of course I’ve seen all the Sex and the Cities and Sarah Silverman (in my opinion) is an one of the all time greats. But maybe we shouldn’t base our view of reality on fictionalized work? What’s next you gonna cite some of your AO3 bookmarks as your sources of knowledge? Come on getthefuckoutahere with that shit.
No, even fully grown men can find a cool stick on the ground and it will make their whole day. Women need 5 pillars of globalized industry, same day delivery with a free return policy and idealy sombody else to foot the bill to make them be a little bit less annoyed. That’s why men start digging holes at the beach with their bare hands and women use a 10 MP front facing camera in a $1000 phone with a stabilized selfie stick and a 20000mAh powerbank to take vacation pictures.
I’m a Dominatrix. It’s what they seek me out for and pay me to do. It’s what they want. Their boundaries are different than yours.
Consensual BDSM scares you? I thought we were getting rid of the taboo around sex, no? There are some clubs that are vanilla only.
The only people you find romantic companionship with, per your comments, are men. That makes you homoromantic at minimum. If your sexuality issues weren’t literally causing you to be a misogynist and hurt women, I wouldn’t say anything. But yeah, you like men more because you LIKE men more. Download Grindr and leave women alone.
No but here is another paragraph where you edge yourself to how much more amazing men are than women. That’s not a straight man thing to do. Straight men typically compete with other men for women’s approval. YOU, however, are competing with other WOMEN for MEN’S approval.
Sewage - like changing dirty diapers? Cleaning up vomit and blood? Pus from abscesses? Bloody diarrhea, c diff infections? Trash collection, sanitation- like cleaning, yet again? Housekeeping? And I’ve mined, welded, and worked on farms with other women so try again there. The reason women can’t stay in those fields is that they get isolated with men and it endangers them, plus men haze women out of blue collar jobs. Ask any woman in those fields, there’s enough of them online.
Yet again jacking off to men, you can’t stop yourself. Recommend reading the book Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine - yes women can and already do any job men do. Is this like 1805 or something? How is this news to you?
She is literally the opposite of everything you claim women must be.
More made up jacking off to men good women bad.
My take? You want to be a submissive woman, and you want a daddy to come in and take care of you and beat you for being a woman because you hate yourself. Everything you type fits that archetype.
Ironically if you were nice to women, they’d show you how to dress up and put on makeup and wigs and include you so you can attract the man of your dreams and stop being shitty to us.
If you don’t understand why women deserve capital from men, just say that. I already understand you have a slave woman kink to men. You’ve made that abundantly clear.
Lol how are you able to type while sucking off a guys cock and stroking two others? Amazing work
She literally gets off suffering. Consider her points, and stop talking to her.
Good job, I AM happy with this misogynist’s suffering, which they deserve for being a misogynist imo.
Suffering is the anti-thesis to my beliefs, but I get where you are coming from.
That goes for society in general & we can’t pin that on women. Look at autists try to navigate social situations to observe how complicated neurotypicals make something that could be straightforward. Simple, clear directness often takes boldness & isn’t typically rewarded. Learning not to give a fuck takes effort.
Women & people in general don’t know who they’re dealing with & don’t owe them much of anything.