The stuff he tells to the world is very different from what he tells his own followers. Let’s not forget that he comes from a very long tradition of repressive theocracy.
Show me one example, please. In my experience the message for his followers is absolutely the same. He speakes about Buddha, about kindness and wisdom and how to apply the Buddhas words in the modern world.
I have seen quite a few events now that he has held for Tibtain monks and nuns and that were provided with English subtitles. I see no different message there, than he has for his western audiences. Of course, there is a difference in how he speaks about things, but not what he is saying.
Worse than systematic rape within the Catholic church?
No offence but I remember this situation and is this all you have? I follow the law of atleast three instances before thinking about patterns (unless the previous 2 are atrocious) this wasn’t atrocious, this is silly and weird but also this is fucking Tibet not london. White ignorant ass making wild assumptions over seemingly minor stuff
You sure this is the hill you want to die on? Defending a religious leader who has already admitted to pedophilic behavior?
Why do you think I’m defending other religions?
And no, it’s not minor, and it’s kind of telling that you’re wiling to ignore it so easily. Would it be minor if it was your child? It’s absolutely atrocious, and unacceptable no matter where you reside on the planet.
You sure this is the hill you want to die on? Defending a religious leader who has already admitted to pedophilic behavior?
Buddy it seems like between the two of us. You’re the one out of sources. You’re really digging into this one thing. Is that all you have and yet have the gall to talk about a hill to die on?
I’m not defending the dali liama, but i am saying you lack any Nuance or any knowledge on the topic and this conversation is proof of that.
Would it be minor if it was your child? It’s absolutely atrocious, and unacceptable no matter where you reside on the planet.
Not everybody on earth acts like a European/American. Believe it or not, not every culture Is as sex obsessed. You can be hugged and kissed by people you share absolutely no blood to in many Asian cultures (coming from an Asian) and the nuances are long and varied, longer than I can be bothered to write but it you had any willingness to learn, you would and could, but that’s asking too much.
So I ask again, you say pedophilic behaviour, a pedo is someone who is sexually attracted to kids. I’ll ask again, did the Dali liama fuck a child or say publically he wants to fuck children? Even on Lemmy it seems critical debate is a dying breed
The boy slowly moves his head closer to the Dalai Lama’s but appears only to touch his forehead before withdrawing.
First nuance of what you insisted happened that it… Didn’t actually happen
In Tibet, sticking out one’s tongue is known as a traditional greeting, stemming from a 9th-century myth about an unpopular king with a black tongue.
Second nuance that its ABSOLUTELY a pedophilic thing to do… It wasn’t and again, it didn’t happen.
From the same article you just linked. You really aren’t proving your case well and instead flalling and getting emotional. You need to touch some grass and maybe read the articles or up on whatever you’re blathering about?
I can’t be bothered finding any more articles, but I’m looking at how the thread is going and its not currently in your favour, let’s stop it here
Nothing wrong with meditating on a stone all your life, but where does a monk’s meal come from? Who grows the food? Who weaves the cloth? If it were all just charity, that would be one thing…
Before China, Tibet was a feudal society, with the monastery at the top of the hierarchy. They wielded power; religious, political, and physical. The punishment for disobeying a monk was to have your hands cut off. And this wasn’t just some ancient state of affairs, it was happening in the 20th century.
I didn’t realise that human rights violations were justification for invasion and conquest
Dumbest take ever. The British and the Americans were right to send troops to France under Nazi rule because it was a mission to liberate French people. The USSR was right to send troops to Czechoslovakia to liberate people from Nazi rule. China was right to send troops to Tibet to free the people from their brutal feudalistic rule.
I fucking wish that my homeland (Spain) had been “invaded” by English and French troops to fight fascism in the 30s rather than ending up with a homegrown fascist dictatorship.
Ahh yes, a literal state of war is equivalent to an unprovoked invasion.
Wasn’t expecting your dumbest take ever line to be about what you’d written. But thanks for the heads up.
I’m sorry for the harm, the scars, and legacy of fascism that Franco left.
The USSR and Germany helping him are more to blame than the UK and France not invading, but I sympathise with wishing something had been done (can’t see them supporting the Communists or Anarchists though, so probably not involvement is due to seeing the Nationalists as the best of the options) . From the way that Franco’s legacy and supporters are, at best merely controversial does make me think that it’d’ve been a very bloody and destructive continuation of the Civil War.
I know, religion is bad an’ all that, but I like this guy. Always did.
The stuff he tells to the world is very different from what he tells his own followers. Let’s not forget that he comes from a very long tradition of repressive theocracy.
Not to mention that he’s setting up a child to be indoctrinated their whole life.
Show me one example, please. In my experience the message for his followers is absolutely the same. He speakes about Buddha, about kindness and wisdom and how to apply the Buddhas words in the modern world.
I have seen quite a few events now that he has held for Tibtain monks and nuns and that were provided with English subtitles. I see no different message there, than he has for his western audiences. Of course, there is a difference in how he speaks about things, but not what he is saying.
Worse then raping children and a “god given” mandate to colonize and exploit the world? Just saying that most religions are like this
Yeah it’s not like he’s asking little boys to suck on his tongue or anything…
Oh. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/10/1168962589/dalai-lama-apologizes-tongue-kiss
Worse than systematic rape within the Catholic church? No offence but I remember this situation and is this all you have? I follow the law of atleast three instances before thinking about patterns (unless the previous 2 are atrocious) this wasn’t atrocious, this is silly and weird but also this is fucking Tibet not london. White ignorant ass making wild assumptions over seemingly minor stuff
You sure this is the hill you want to die on? Defending a religious leader who has already admitted to pedophilic behavior?
Why do you think I’m defending other religions?
And no, it’s not minor, and it’s kind of telling that you’re wiling to ignore it so easily. Would it be minor if it was your child? It’s absolutely atrocious, and unacceptable no matter where you reside on the planet.
Buddy it seems like between the two of us. You’re the one out of sources. You’re really digging into this one thing. Is that all you have and yet have the gall to talk about a hill to die on?
I’m not defending the dali liama, but i am saying you lack any Nuance or any knowledge on the topic and this conversation is proof of that.
Not everybody on earth acts like a European/American. Believe it or not, not every culture Is as sex obsessed. You can be hugged and kissed by people you share absolutely no blood to in many Asian cultures (coming from an Asian) and the nuances are long and varied, longer than I can be bothered to write but it you had any willingness to learn, you would and could, but that’s asking too much.
So I ask again, you say pedophilic behaviour, a pedo is someone who is sexually attracted to kids. I’ll ask again, did the Dali liama fuck a child or say publically he wants to fuck children? Even on Lemmy it seems critical debate is a dying breed
The dude sucked a child’s tongue. It’s fucking disgusting that you’re defending that. There is no nuance there, sorry.
Correct. There is no nuance in your statement. At all.
First nuance of what you insisted happened that it… Didn’t actually happen
Second nuance that its ABSOLUTELY a pedophilic thing to do… It wasn’t and again, it didn’t happen.
From the same article you just linked. You really aren’t proving your case well and instead flalling and getting emotional. You need to touch some grass and maybe read the articles or up on whatever you’re blathering about?
I can’t be bothered finding any more articles, but I’m looking at how the thread is going and its not currently in your favour, let’s stop it here
The religions where you chill on a stone all your life and meditate are basically the only ok religions.
Nothing wrong with meditating on a stone all your life, but where does a monk’s meal come from? Who grows the food? Who weaves the cloth? If it were all just charity, that would be one thing…
Before China, Tibet was a feudal society, with the monastery at the top of the hierarchy. They wielded power; religious, political, and physical. The punishment for disobeying a monk was to have your hands cut off. And this wasn’t just some ancient state of affairs, it was happening in the 20th century.
Now my last belief in humanity faded.
If that was the version of Buddhism he’s advocating for Tibet would still be an autonomous region instead of under direct control.
They had child sex slaves and a caste system that would make some parts of India blush.
I didn’t realise that human rights violations were justification for invasion and conquest.
Imperialism is wrong no matter who is doing to conquering or being conquered.
Dumbest take ever. The British and the Americans were right to send troops to France under Nazi rule because it was a mission to liberate French people. The USSR was right to send troops to Czechoslovakia to liberate people from Nazi rule. China was right to send troops to Tibet to free the people from their brutal feudalistic rule.
I fucking wish that my homeland (Spain) had been “invaded” by English and French troops to fight fascism in the 30s rather than ending up with a homegrown fascist dictatorship.
Ahh yes, a literal state of war is equivalent to an unprovoked invasion.
Wasn’t expecting your dumbest take ever line to be about what you’d written. But thanks for the heads up.
I’m sorry for the harm, the scars, and legacy of fascism that Franco left. The USSR and Germany helping him are more to blame than the UK and France not invading, but I sympathise with wishing something had been done (can’t see them supporting the Communists or Anarchists though, so probably not involvement is due to seeing the Nationalists as the best of the options) . From the way that Franco’s legacy and supporters are, at best merely controversial does make me think that it’d’ve been a very bloody and destructive continuation of the Civil War.
“Don’t be an asshole. That’s all.”