• @[email protected]
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    281 year ago

    I mean it doesn’t take much critical thinking to realize defederation is per instance, so mayyybbbeee they’re talking about the instance they’re both part of and posting in.

    • snooggums
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      1 year ago

      It takes two seconds to mention the instance when talking about an instance specific topic.

      Stop trying to discourage suggestions to improve clarity.

      • @[email protected]
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        161 year ago

        you could also stop browsing other instances main?

        Takes 1 second to think about it, even less time

        • snooggums
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          -21 year ago

          I don’t browse other instances’ main, they show up under All together from any federated instance on kbin.

            • snooggums
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              -11 year ago

              “Don’t spend two seconds wording something clearly when publicly posting because everyone else can just figure out what you meant by inferring all of the context instead.”

              • Sethayy
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                71 year ago

                Let’s use an example from Reddit, just to eliminate the extra complication of instances.

                Let’s say I’m on /r/neutralnews on Reddit and I ask, “Does anyone know why HuffPost links aren’t allowed?” Then imagine someone browsing /r/all sees the title then jumps in and comments, “But they are allowed, I just posted a HuffPost article yesterday!” The first poster is talking about something specific to the sub, whereas the second assumed they were talking about sitewide reddit rules. Should all posts discussing subreddit rules always include the subreddit name? That’s ridiculous, it’s quite obvious from context that it’s talking about sub rules.

                Now if we add in the complexity of instances on Lemmy, this post was made to a community that’s specifically intended for discussing this instance. It’s the main community for the sh.itjust.works instance, which is precisely where discussion about the instance itself should reside.

                The root of the problem is addressed in this post where kbin apparently doesn’t show enough information about the community and instance it’s pulling. However, it still should have been obvious that, since it’s a “main” community, it’s talking about that particular instance. If you looked at the actual link this post is referring to, it also mentions the sh.itjust.works community. So I see two failures here:

                • kbin doesn’t display the community name, only the short id
                • you didn’t actually look at the linked post before commenting

                The first totally isn’t your fault, but the second doesn’t imply that everyone else should include unnecessary data like the instance name in a post title that’s made to a community that’s specific to that instance.

        • CMLVI
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          -21 year ago

          I’m seeing this from just the All page on kbin. That’s where I find other communities I may want to join.

          I have not left my instance to see this post.

          • @[email protected]
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            51 year ago

            Yet this is a post from another instance yes?

            So maybe this is where that critical thinking comes in, if you set out to view other instances, don’t be afraid if you just happen upon other instances

            • CMLVI
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              -21 year ago

              I didn’t set out to view other instances. The default view of kbin is the All page. It was on page 1, immediately join opening. Should I avoid logging in?

              It’s crazy how annoyed you are about the federated experience while on a federated site. Not everyone is going to conform to how you/your instance wants to operate.

              • @[email protected]
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                41 year ago

                “Didn’t set out to view other instances”

                “browsed the all page”

                What. What’d you think you’d find there?

                do agree with the last point, not everyone is gonna change to fit YOUR needs

                • CMLVI
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                  01 year ago

                  It’s the landing page of Kbin by default. I cannot change it.

                  I don’t think I’ve even advocated for the person to specifically include the instances in post titles; just that identifying it is helpful when asked. Instead, dude above went off calling people functionally dumb for asking.

              • The Quuuuuill
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                21 year ago

                that’s the argument for that asking people posting to the community about sh.itjust.works to state specifically that they are talking about sh.itjust.works is silly. why is your convenience in regards to an idiosynchrocy with your chosen platform more important than everyone elses community experience?

                it’s crazy how annoyed you are about the federated experience while on a federated site. not everyone is going to conform to how you / your instance wants to operate

                • CMLVI
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                  11 year ago

                  That isn’t federated experience tho. No one on a closed platform asks for identification of where stuff was posted from; by default, it’s the closed platform. That isn’t how federation works; the number of sources/groups is virtually endless.

                  But nah, go on. Foster more good-will by getting upset at others for asking the context of a post on federated sites. Clearly y’all are a welcoming bunch.

                  • The Quuuuuill
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                    11 year ago

                    What are you talking about? The context is the community the post is posted into. The federated experience is that you explore any posts, threads, or communities from any instance. If I have a community called [email protected], do you want me to post “New table-top news!” in every single post title just to make it clear? This post was posted to a community for discussing sh.itjust.works. If your app isn’t showing you that information, that’s a bug, not an issue with posters. Imagine if every post didn’t show what community it was from, what poster posted it, or what it was in response to, but only if you used a particular app. Would you get huffy at other users for not copy and pasting every comment they were replying to into their own comment because you needed to ask for the context and provenance from every user directly? I’m sorry if the people in the community for discussing sh.itjust.works are a little annoyed that there’s a huge controversy at a large number of users from one particular instance not knowing it wsa for discussing sh.itjust.works because kbin doesn’t show what communities posts come from. But it’s a very active community, and putting “In regards to sh.itjust.works:” in every title would be like if you wanted to required every post to [email protected] be labeld “[News]”

          • hypelightfly
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            31 year ago

            This is a Kbin problem with not showing the instance name for communities and users. The solution is for kbin to fix it’s UI not for users to add unnecessary information to their post titles.

            I suggest you make a post in the Kbin meta magazine if this bothers you instead of complaining to people who did nothing wrong.

        • LanternEverywhere
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          Pretty much everyone is seeing it just by looking at their instance’s homepage, they’re not browsing on sh.itjust.works’s page. If you post on your instance’s main page, then EVERYONE on EVERY instance will see it on THEIR instance’s homepage too. That’s how federation works.

          • @[email protected]
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            61 year ago

            So, in addition to posting in a community specific page I should also clarify for idiots who don’t know how the technology they’re using or who can’t take a moment and think for themselves about what’s flashing on their screens?

          • @[email protected]
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            51 year ago

            You mean if youre viewing all? Then yeah you might get all posts (no friggin way). This is where that critical thinking comes in

      • sik0fewl
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        81 year ago

        You’re suggesting that every single post to this community mentions the instance name?

        • snooggums
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          -31 year ago

          How did you get ‘every post ever’ from ‘instance specific topic’?

          • The Quuuuuill
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            81 year ago

            This is the community for discussing sh.itjust.works. that’s what this whole ass community is

          • sik0fewl
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            81 year ago

            Because this community is the “Home of the sh.itjust.works instance”.

          • hypelightfly
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            31 year ago

            Every post in this community is an instance specific topic. That’s the point of the community.

            • snooggums
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              -21 year ago

              Did you read the other three replies saying the same thing and think ‘oh boy, I can get in on this action’?