• lazyraccoon
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    21 year ago

    A. All humans exist on the virtue of other’s achievement except for Mowgli, and even he was raised by wolves.

    B. The social contract between citizens and the sovereign means that the people give up freedom so that the sovereign will provide - thus bringing order into chaos. If a nation fails to provide said order to an individual, he is right to be mad.

    I mean, unless you’re talking about authoritarian government, in which case… well… no, you aren’t entitled to anything the government doesn’t allow and you do as you’re told.

    • @[email protected]
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      -21 year ago

      Governments are not a bunch of benevolent gods. It’s a bunch of people seeking their own interest (like everyone else), and they will do everything they can to keep the racket going. This idea that the government is there to solve your problems is ridiculous. Especially that the primary cause of the whole economy being in the gutter comes from money-printing by the government. When people predicted inflation because of all the “stimulus checks” in 2020 and printing over 60% of the money supply in a fe months, they were called conspiracy theorists. Look at where we are now. The economy is going to shit and no one cares, including your “non-authoritarian government”.

      No one is there to save you or help you. Get this out of your head. There’s no “social contract” except for what you believe to keep you tamed.

      • lazyraccoon
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        11 year ago

        If you’re an American and are talking about America, sounds fair.

        Some people live in socialist democracies, and we like having healthcare, pensions and other such protection from our governments.

        Sure, they’re not perfect, but safer. Saner. Happier. I rather die a happy millionaire then a self-made billionaire.

        • @[email protected]
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          -21 year ago

          I’m from Germany. Would you like to talk about the energy policies in Germany that have caused inflation to sky rocket? Or maybe the ECB printing money to oblivion? You wanna talk about how business are getting wrecked with electricity costs?

          Governments are people, no matter where. They have their agendas, and they’ll do what it takes to achieve them whether alone or by coordinating with the devil. If you agree with them, it’s a coincidence. One day you’ll disagree with them and they’ll screw you over and throw you under the bus. It’s a matter of time.

          • lazyraccoon
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            11 year ago

            During crisis times that are severe enough, everyone becomes animals. That’s an extreme moral judgement.

            And Europe as a whole definitely screwed up by drinking cheap Russian gas for heating, instead of investing in more localized, sustainable energy production. That is true and valid criticism. It is crippling Europe right now, and makes the closure of all those nuclear power plants seem so wrong…

            However, your assumption that governments only work as the devil or with the devil are wrong, or we wouldn’t have days off, public healthcare, right to unionize, or even the famous German tap water.

            0.5 Euro per kWh is ridiculously high, but people aren’t killing each other for water. Missiles aren’t in the air.

            It is not so black and white. It is not all doom and gloom.

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              -31 year ago

              Health care? Don’t make me laugh. At times we waited 6 months for a doctor’s appointment to the point where we had to book based on an emergency to just see the freaking doctor. Another story, my mom was almost hooked on morphine because the doctor wasn’t authorized to prescribe MRI after MONTHS of treatment because of the dumb regulations in health care. Taking an xray is an appointment. Give me a break!

              You know how long it takes an xray where I live? 10 minutes. MRI never took more than a few days. I can’t tell you where I live, obviously. But hey, I got out of that freaking hell in Germany.

              Crisis, huh? You know, when the covid “crisis” was going on, my company was begging me to stay when I was quitting to leave Germany because I’m very skilled and productive. They told me “don’t worry, the covid crisis is almost over”, you know what I told them? I told them “you still don’t understand politicians, do you? Do you know how politicians make you forget a crisis? With another crisis”. And see how right I was. I’m the best at predicting the future, not because I’m smart, but because I’m not brain-washed, and your future isn’t so bright. So, enjoy the series of crises in your “democratic socialist” countries.

              Anyway, besides all that, you’re just pawns. The “government” doesn’t really care about you except to vote for them to stay in power, and they’ll do the bare minimum to win that. The time will come when food becomes unaffordable with all these businesses closing and the Euro inflating. I assure you, the pawns will justify it with another “crisis”.

              • lazyraccoon
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                11 year ago

                As a brainwashed pawn, I will respond with the following:

                What you say exists everywhere, so you’re doomed to be a nomad, surfing the tides of capitalist succeess, constanty.

                Your political philosophy is akin to anarchy, and is just extreme. “Why bother? Everyone is shit, and everything will collapse in the end.”

                Should we stop trying to find what works, then?

                • @[email protected]
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                  -11 year ago

                  Yep, I’m an asshole. At least I’m an honest asshole that isn’t trying to paint the sky pink with “democratic socialist” countries as if that’s the best thing that ever existed.

                  Though I’m not an asshole for no reason. I want EVERYONE to be powerful like me. I want everyone to determine their own fate. I want everyone to serve their community and be strong with clear goals and not need an 8 Euro/hour job. And that’s where you’re wrong. Europe is doomed because of that, not because “everyone is doomed”.

                  If everyone understands the consequences of the pink sky picture you’re painting, which is the awful politics, health care, standard of life due to inflation and being a pawn, etc, despite living in one of the most industrial countries in the world, then people will know that something is wrong and will be able to squeeze politicians more to get more, or they can leave and hurt them by lowering their economic output. Though if everyone served coffee in Starbucks, and got UBI from the government, they’ll never have a chance to have a better life, and that’s exactly what I’m fighting for, and besides all the facts against communism and socialism that gets people to argue online, this is why it’s bad. Because normally the government serves the people, but if people get paid by the government, then people serve the government, and voting becomes nothing but a game where whoever bribes the people more with their own money gets more votes, and that’s where we’re headed.

                  Solution? Stop saying that there’s no point in making power, wealth and money, and do it! That’s why I’m here telling people to try.

                  • lazyraccoon
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                    11 year ago

                    So what you’re saying is that we should revolt against our governments by hurting them financially? By becoming as rich as we can and leaving?

                    Please explain.