Yes, I made some mistakes. Writing on the phone during lunch.
I’m using extremes to accentuate a point where your system fails.
If your country is constantly providing welfare to people consistently, it is not functioning correctly.
That is, unless they’re crippled or ignorent. In which case you said “If I’m not rich enough, I rather watch my daughter die to leukemia then to have a lazy son”. I know, extreme, but that’s the length of which your philosophy stands -
You prioritize productivity (catching the willfully lazy), over helping a needy person (which the willfully lazy are good at faking).
I’m also equating it to your children in order to drive home the full extent of the law, since all are equals to it.
Instead of reworking legislation you just wanna burn everything down.
Claiming that something has always worked well as an argument falls flat on it’s face with one name - Galileo Galilei. You could argue Newton as well.
Punished by the community? Isn’t that already happening by having local and national judiciary?
Unless you’re talking mob justice… then I’m sorry I don’t believe we should go back to living in caves.
An impartial court that relies on facts adheres more to the scientific method then my neighbor or even myself if I am involved in a crime.
Sure, you can move the social aspect to the cities instead of the government, but you’d make small cities less appealing to live in, intensifying over population, and at the same time lower the quality of actual services delivered as they are smaller in effect then possible then a national scale.
Your golden question comes up whenever any society heads towards survival terms, not the species.
I do think that nature will bring us worse problems than we can create, though. And soon. But that’s a different topic.
For some reason you think that the society can be efficient as much as communities are. This isn’t true. Judgment from your community is much more accurate from a judiciary that doesn’t know anything about you. I think this is your only problem in your thought process. Once you realize that people should be helped only by those who care about them, and helping people you don’t know by giving them money wrecks them 99.99% of the time, you’ll know where I’m coming from. Reworking legislation doesn’t help, because humans have always been better at loopholing laws than following them. Politicians manipulate them to reach their goals (maximize dependence of the population), and people loophole them to maximize their benefit. This will never work. You will never, ever, find the set of rules that will make a perfect society, but you can find the set of rule that makes a perfect small community where people care for each other.
You don’t need to move to villages to make this work, btw. You can just keep the government out of it, and make help come from local communities. People will help each other (and have always done that).
A person that doesn’t know you will judge you by the law and the situation at hand, and will also take into account your past - should it be relevant.
If he doesn’t, then he/she is failing their role as a judge.
A person that knows you will be biased, either to hate or love you, or anything else in between.
They cannot remove the bias, as bias always exists and a judiciary needs to minimize it for a fair trail to take place.
By the same way you claim the government will always be wrong and corruptable, I argue that your community will always be an easy target for manipulation, nepotism and corruption.
Stop using that argument as justification for anything other than human tendencies, you are repeating a moot point.
Communities are weaker than governments. Supporting 150 people due to a closing factory is hard on a city of 10,000 until they get back up. It is nothing for a nation.
You could delegate more authority to the local administration, but that’ll move the seat of corruption from A to B.
Communities are how humanity survived for thousands of years. The governmental structures, that are today corrupt and aren’t made for us, simple people, have been up for only short period of time. I think the evidence isn’t on your side. You’re talking ideals about governments, then judging communities on points that are at best questionable and at worst a complete misunderstanding on how the world works today.
For example, you think judging a person by “absolute law” is possible. This is not realistic. Judges in law, today, try always to take the circumstances into account, include personal and daily behavior. A criminal who fights every day with everyone and/or ex-convict isn’t like a good man who takes care of his family and does a mistake. This is actually the fault of our schooling system… they make you think that courts today, which are the playing field of the rich and whoever has the money wins, are the castles of absolute justice. This is beyond ridiculous… and shows that you’ve never went to court to get what’s yours. Go and try to get what you deserve in court and good luck with that. Not once… not once I was able to benefit from police or courts because they’re not for us, including cases where things were stolen from me. Yet schools brainwashed you with ideals that are never true in real life. You not realizing how the courts work today, yet defending them with ideals is the rubber stamp that proves that society is successfully brainwashed to defend its oppressor.
I like this saying because it accurately describes you: “We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying”.
I’ll use few words since you clearly aren’t reading what I’m writing -
Go read about the scientific method.
Go and read about what truth is.
Hint - talking as if the only thing that matters is what you see is not just wrong, it is meaningless.
You wouldn’t be able to live in a world that you describe as true.
I don’t know why you think I’m not reading what you’re typing, though I am actively avoiding following you into subtopics because I want this to end. So, have a good life.
FYI, I have a PhD in physics from a top university in Europe. So, believe you me, I know what science is way more than you.
Dude, your arrogance is another level. Of course you won’t believe me, because that will shatter your whole belief system… “how could someone really smart believe all the things I disagree with?”… it’s much easier for you to not believe that. Don’t worry. I understand. Whatever makes you happy!
“Apocalypse”… says the guy living in the crashing economy where his heart could blow up before he gets a doctor’s appointment, while my principles work in a capitalist country where I go to a doctor whenever I want and don’t even pay that much. You really need a reality check on your arrogance and brainwashing. Learn how to end a conversation without being smug. It’s unfortunate that I wasted my time with you and you learned absolutely nothing, not even that your health care sucks that you should be a little humble. Wow. Go have a good life and stop trying to convince me what they brainwashed you with. Just end it.
Treat slaves who think they’re rich with respect?
Treat a belligerent dick who condescended me with every wall of text that blatantly ignored my neutral arguments with “the truth” as you provided 0 facts but your shitty life experience?
Go be humble in a library. Or buy one since you’re rich and I’m poor or some shit you tell yourself to feel good about leaving your country.
I recommend reading John Stewart Mill, Thomas Hobbes and jean jacques rousseau.
Your perception is not capitalistic, it is child like anarchism.
Yes, I made some mistakes. Writing on the phone during lunch.
I’m using extremes to accentuate a point where your system fails.
If your country is constantly providing welfare to people consistently, it is not functioning correctly.
That is, unless they’re crippled or ignorent. In which case you said “If I’m not rich enough, I rather watch my daughter die to leukemia then to have a lazy son”. I know, extreme, but that’s the length of which your philosophy stands -
You prioritize productivity (catching the willfully lazy), over helping a needy person (which the willfully lazy are good at faking). I’m also equating it to your children in order to drive home the full extent of the law, since all are equals to it.
Instead of reworking legislation you just wanna burn everything down.
Claiming that something has always worked well as an argument falls flat on it’s face with one name - Galileo Galilei. You could argue Newton as well.
Punished by the community? Isn’t that already happening by having local and national judiciary?
Unless you’re talking mob justice… then I’m sorry I don’t believe we should go back to living in caves. An impartial court that relies on facts adheres more to the scientific method then my neighbor or even myself if I am involved in a crime.
Sure, you can move the social aspect to the cities instead of the government, but you’d make small cities less appealing to live in, intensifying over population, and at the same time lower the quality of actual services delivered as they are smaller in effect then possible then a national scale.
Your golden question comes up whenever any society heads towards survival terms, not the species.
I do think that nature will bring us worse problems than we can create, though. And soon. But that’s a different topic.
For some reason you think that the society can be efficient as much as communities are. This isn’t true. Judgment from your community is much more accurate from a judiciary that doesn’t know anything about you. I think this is your only problem in your thought process. Once you realize that people should be helped only by those who care about them, and helping people you don’t know by giving them money wrecks them 99.99% of the time, you’ll know where I’m coming from. Reworking legislation doesn’t help, because humans have always been better at loopholing laws than following them. Politicians manipulate them to reach their goals (maximize dependence of the population), and people loophole them to maximize their benefit. This will never work. You will never, ever, find the set of rules that will make a perfect society, but you can find the set of rule that makes a perfect small community where people care for each other.
You don’t need to move to villages to make this work, btw. You can just keep the government out of it, and make help come from local communities. People will help each other (and have always done that).
A person that doesn’t know you will judge you by the law and the situation at hand, and will also take into account your past - should it be relevant. If he doesn’t, then he/she is failing their role as a judge.
A person that knows you will be biased, either to hate or love you, or anything else in between. They cannot remove the bias, as bias always exists and a judiciary needs to minimize it for a fair trail to take place.
By the same way you claim the government will always be wrong and corruptable, I argue that your community will always be an easy target for manipulation, nepotism and corruption. Stop using that argument as justification for anything other than human tendencies, you are repeating a moot point.
Communities are weaker than governments. Supporting 150 people due to a closing factory is hard on a city of 10,000 until they get back up. It is nothing for a nation.
You could delegate more authority to the local administration, but that’ll move the seat of corruption from A to B.
Communities are how humanity survived for thousands of years. The governmental structures, that are today corrupt and aren’t made for us, simple people, have been up for only short period of time. I think the evidence isn’t on your side. You’re talking ideals about governments, then judging communities on points that are at best questionable and at worst a complete misunderstanding on how the world works today.
For example, you think judging a person by “absolute law” is possible. This is not realistic. Judges in law, today, try always to take the circumstances into account, include personal and daily behavior. A criminal who fights every day with everyone and/or ex-convict isn’t like a good man who takes care of his family and does a mistake. This is actually the fault of our schooling system… they make you think that courts today, which are the playing field of the rich and whoever has the money wins, are the castles of absolute justice. This is beyond ridiculous… and shows that you’ve never went to court to get what’s yours. Go and try to get what you deserve in court and good luck with that. Not once… not once I was able to benefit from police or courts because they’re not for us, including cases where things were stolen from me. Yet schools brainwashed you with ideals that are never true in real life. You not realizing how the courts work today, yet defending them with ideals is the rubber stamp that proves that society is successfully brainwashed to defend its oppressor.
I like this saying because it accurately describes you: “We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying”.
And I’ll add, you’re facilitating it.
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I’ll use few words since you clearly aren’t reading what I’m writing -
Go read about the scientific method. Go and read about what truth is.
Hint - talking as if the only thing that matters is what you see is not just wrong, it is meaningless. You wouldn’t be able to live in a world that you describe as true.
I don’t know why you think I’m not reading what you’re typing, though I am actively avoiding following you into subtopics because I want this to end. So, have a good life.
FYI, I have a PhD in physics from a top university in Europe. So, believe you me, I know what science is way more than you.
I don’t believe you, but I hope your existence contributes to humanity because your opinions will bring about the apocalypse.
Have a good life too.
Dude, your arrogance is another level. Of course you won’t believe me, because that will shatter your whole belief system… “how could someone really smart believe all the things I disagree with?”… it’s much easier for you to not believe that. Don’t worry. I understand. Whatever makes you happy!
“Apocalypse”… says the guy living in the crashing economy where his heart could blow up before he gets a doctor’s appointment, while my principles work in a capitalist country where I go to a doctor whenever I want and don’t even pay that much. You really need a reality check on your arrogance and brainwashing. Learn how to end a conversation without being smug. It’s unfortunate that I wasted my time with you and you learned absolutely nothing, not even that your health care sucks that you should be a little humble. Wow. Go have a good life and stop trying to convince me what they brainwashed you with. Just end it.
Treat slaves who think they’re rich with respect? Treat a belligerent dick who condescended me with every wall of text that blatantly ignored my neutral arguments with “the truth” as you provided 0 facts but your shitty life experience?
Go be humble in a library. Or buy one since you’re rich and I’m poor or some shit you tell yourself to feel good about leaving your country.
I recommend reading John Stewart Mill, Thomas Hobbes and jean jacques rousseau.
Your perception is not capitalistic, it is child like anarchism.