In order to use a defibrillator, you have to remove everything from a person’s chest. This includes the bra and to even shave chest hair to be able to apply the pads correctly.
I’ve always thought that it would be troublesome for a man to have to apply a defibrillator to a woman if someone assumes foul play because of their own issues.
Life over dignity in that situation, everyone else be damned.
Imagine dying because some old puritan assholes decided at some point that female nips are inherently offensive but male nips are fine. Humanity can be so idiotic sometimes
It does not have to be life over dignity. There can be a middle ground they could at least provide a cover while doing their thing. I know a teen girl who changed school, did therapy and tried to sue because she once had a seizure and they stripped her naked in front everyone to save her. Her “friends” took video of her and spread it all over their school. As awful as it sounds I’m not making this up.
Why does almost no one clear the area in these posted experiences? That was covered in my (very) basic first aid training. It was emphasized, and it came with a heavy reminder that patient care should be a very high priority. I’m honestly just suprised to read all of these.
Y’all need better trainers and better Good Samaritan laws to protect you. What a world where someone just dies when they could have been saved by someone who was already nearby. Society sucks. Neither “angle” is great.
Yup, society sucks. It’s probably selfish of me, but I ain’t saving someone when it’s possible that I get accused of SA. It’s just not worth it. The hassle and the possiblilty of being labelled could affect my future and jobs.
I just did red cross CPR and AED training last week, and the materials said the clothes all need to come off (or pulled up or whatever - off the chest) but chest hair doesn’t need to be shaved. Presumably the instructions change periodically.
Its probably much better to have a shaved chest, but lets be realistic. In a situation where CPR and an AED are being used, 1. you probably arent going to have a razor handy 2. the sub-optimal contact with the skin is the least of you (or the patient’s) worries.
It’s only an issue on very hairy chests – i.e. full “bearskin rug” where you need to place the pads. There are patients that have so much hair the pads aren’t even touching skin.
In which case you absolutely need to remove the hair. A slightly delayed initial defibrillation is better than multiple ineffective ones. Most AED kits should have a spare set of pads (“wax the chest” with the first set) or a disposable razor.
You’re not going to take time to shave, every second counts. The solution is the extra adhesive pads most every AED has. You plant one of those on the the chest hair and rip, and you can get an effectively hairless spot for your lead.
The instructions say that chest hair comes off if the pad isn’t sticking effectively to the chest. That means shaving if you have a razor, or using the second adhesives (kid/adult sizes usually come in the same AED kit) as ad hoc waxing devices.
Doubtful. I recognize the world is a shitty place so I had a surgery to prevent me from bringing more people into it.
To be clear, because somehow this was lost in translation, I wish it was as cut and dry as giving CPR to someone who needs it. But the world, again, is a shitty place.
You don’t have to, but some defibrillator kits include a razor, and when I took a CPR class, we were taught how to remove hair using either a razor or an extra set of defib pads.
They’re constantly updating best practices, the kits come with a little razor now. Though we got told to apply the pad on the hair and then pull it off, effectively waxing the area. It’s apparently to get better contact. Personally I think shaving would be more effective, suppose you do what you have to in the situation.
In order to use a defibrillator, you have to remove everything from a person’s chest. This includes the bra and to even shave chest hair to be able to apply the pads correctly.
I’ve always thought that it would be troublesome for a man to have to apply a defibrillator to a woman if someone assumes foul play because of their own issues.
Life over dignity in that situation, everyone else be damned.
Imagine dying because some old puritan assholes decided at some point that female nips are inherently offensive but male nips are fine. Humanity can be so idiotic sometimes
Yeah that wouldn’t be what prevents a man from giving a woman CPR. It would be the potential for someone to cry foul play.
No, they decided both were bad. It wasn’t until 1935 that male nips were legal to open-carry
It does not have to be life over dignity. There can be a middle ground they could at least provide a cover while doing their thing. I know a teen girl who changed school, did therapy and tried to sue because she once had a seizure and they stripped her naked in front everyone to save her. Her “friends” took video of her and spread it all over their school. As awful as it sounds I’m not making this up.
Fuck the other kids for taking and sharing videos, people suck.
Yup, and that’s exactly why men don’t help. They tried to save her, but got sued. It’s really not worth it.
I’d expect the people who shared footage to be sued, not the first responders.
Why does almost no one clear the area in these posted experiences? That was covered in my (very) basic first aid training. It was emphasized, and it came with a heavy reminder that patient care should be a very high priority. I’m honestly just suprised to read all of these.
Y’all need better trainers and better Good Samaritan laws to protect you. What a world where someone just dies when they could have been saved by someone who was already nearby. Society sucks. Neither “angle” is great.
Yup, society sucks. It’s probably selfish of me, but I ain’t saving someone when it’s possible that I get accused of SA. It’s just not worth it. The hassle and the possiblilty of being labelled could affect my future and jobs.
Bullshit
I just did red cross CPR and AED training last week, and the materials said the clothes all need to come off (or pulled up or whatever - off the chest) but chest hair doesn’t need to be shaved. Presumably the instructions change periodically.
Its probably much better to have a shaved chest, but lets be realistic. In a situation where CPR and an AED are being used, 1. you probably arent going to have a razor handy 2. the sub-optimal contact with the skin is the least of you (or the patient’s) worries.
I took a course a couple of years agao and I believe they said the AEDs come with a razor
Can confirm. Almost all defibrillators come with a pack of additional supplies - including a dry razor
They also teach now to use the provided additional set of pads to basically wax the chest.
It’s only an issue on very hairy chests – i.e. full “bearskin rug” where you need to place the pads. There are patients that have so much hair the pads aren’t even touching skin.
In which case you absolutely need to remove the hair. A slightly delayed initial defibrillation is better than multiple ineffective ones. Most AED kits should have a spare set of pads (“wax the chest” with the first set) or a disposable razor.
You’re not going to take time to shave, every second counts. The solution is the extra adhesive pads most every AED has. You plant one of those on the the chest hair and rip, and you can get an effectively hairless spot for your lead.
Dry shaving a hairy spot takes like 5 seconds. We’re not talking about whipping out a hot towel and a straight razor.
The instructions say that chest hair comes off if the pad isn’t sticking effectively to the chest. That means shaving if you have a razor, or using the second adhesives (kid/adult sizes usually come in the same AED kit) as ad hoc waxing devices.
Nah, some random persons life is not worth my freedom.
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I’m not sure why you think your freedom would be in jeopardy for providing CPR
Because you could get accused of SA.
Not realistically, no. Good Samaritan laws exist, and if you do CPR properly there’s a 0% chance that it wouldn’t be clearly obvious.
When you do CPR right, you will break ribs off the sternum (unless it’s a child).
If you really think there’s a 0% chance then you’re either delusional or willfully ignorant.
And that random person may someday be your daughter, and the bystanders some other men who agree with you.
Doubtful. I recognize the world is a shitty place so I had a surgery to prevent me from bringing more people into it.
To be clear, because somehow this was lost in translation, I wish it was as cut and dry as giving CPR to someone who needs it. But the world, again, is a shitty place.
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Sounds like a problem for women with chest hair.
you dont have to shave chest hair, wtf are you talking about?
You don’t have to, but some defibrillator kits include a razor, and when I took a CPR class, we were taught how to remove hair using either a razor or an extra set of defib pads.
That’s for excessive hair. Just make sure you both aren’t in a puddle.
They’re constantly updating best practices, the kits come with a little razor now. Though we got told to apply the pad on the hair and then pull it off, effectively waxing the area. It’s apparently to get better contact. Personally I think shaving would be more effective, suppose you do what you have to in the situation.
Waxing would be faster and if there’s still hair you could shave it. More painful of course but if it wakes them up you can stop there.
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