I don’t think the comedy bit was what sent it over the edge, it was the pic of him pretending to put his hands on her boobs in a pic while she was sleeping (from a perspective, he wasn’t near her), that was the mistake. I agree, I think they had a fun relationship and he thought it was funny. I also think she didn’t realize her lying would be taken so far. I saw her in shock when he resigned. She’s a useful idiot and a shitty friend/person.
Don’t feel bad. It wasn’t a good taste joke. And what seemed to fly over a ton of people’s heads is she had a flak jacket on. Essentially a physical gag about being protected from creeps.
I know everyone focuses on the photo and Learn Tweeden, but there were eight other women who made accusations. This is an old article, but it lists the eight accusations before he left, and there was a ninth after he left, detailed in the second link.
It’s not just the one photo. It’s that half the women had the same story of Franken touching them inappropriately during photos at public events.
There is one thing though, I believe the guy who has been honest all the way through. I want to believe the women, but from the get go, this seemed like a set up job. I could be convinced I’m wrong, but the list of women and what they’re saying is way different than the other metoo awful crap I’ve seen.
Oof, men being creeps in photos is super common in my experience. I do historical costuming, and men think it’s hilarious to pretend to squeeze your boobs or butt (or bustle) when they ask for photo. Obviously the historical clothing adds another layer to the situation, but I don’t dress that way to be a punchline to a joke. Most of my costuming friends have similar stories of men oozing into the picture after their wives ask for a picture. My friends who do cosplay have had men do weird shit in photos, too. And they never introduce themselves first, so they can just disappear into the crowd after.
Admittedly that’s different than the situation with Franken where other people asking for his picture, but men are comfortable invading women’s personal space when it comes to photography. Lots of my female friends who don’t do costuming have stories about the creepy guy who gets too close for photos at family or work events. Just because Franken is famous doesn’t mean he can’t be a creepy dude who takes advantage of the situation.
While this is absolutely true, it feels unfair to compare Franken and Moore.
And he shouldn’t have been kicked out. That was a mistake, not a career ending stunt imo.
Wasn’t even a mistake it was a comedy bit she consented to.
Moore got banned from a mall for creeping on 14yo girls and his CURRENT WIFE MET HIM WHEN SHE WAS 16.
They are not even close to the same thing you’re right.
I don’t think the comedy bit was what sent it over the edge, it was the pic of him pretending to put his hands on her boobs in a pic while she was sleeping (from a perspective, he wasn’t near her), that was the mistake. I agree, I think they had a fun relationship and he thought it was funny. I also think she didn’t realize her lying would be taken so far. I saw her in shock when he resigned. She’s a useful idiot and a shitty friend/person.
That pic WAS PART OF THE BIT. She was not asleep.
Are you sure about that? I’ll take your word but then if that’s true, I was a useful idiot too.
Don’t feel bad. It wasn’t a good taste joke. And what seemed to fly over a ton of people’s heads is she had a flak jacket on. Essentially a physical gag about being protected from creeps.
I know everyone focuses on the photo and Learn Tweeden, but there were eight other women who made accusations. This is an old article, but it lists the eight accusations before he left, and there was a ninth after he left, detailed in the second link.
It’s not just the one photo. It’s that half the women had the same story of Franken touching them inappropriately during photos at public events.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/al-franken-news-list-of-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html
Ninth woman: https://www.businessinsider.com/ninth-woman-accuses-former-sen-al-franken-of-sexual-harassment-2019-9
There is one thing though, I believe the guy who has been honest all the way through. I want to believe the women, but from the get go, this seemed like a set up job. I could be convinced I’m wrong, but the list of women and what they’re saying is way different than the other metoo awful crap I’ve seen.
Oof, men being creeps in photos is super common in my experience. I do historical costuming, and men think it’s hilarious to pretend to squeeze your boobs or butt (or bustle) when they ask for photo. Obviously the historical clothing adds another layer to the situation, but I don’t dress that way to be a punchline to a joke. Most of my costuming friends have similar stories of men oozing into the picture after their wives ask for a picture. My friends who do cosplay have had men do weird shit in photos, too. And they never introduce themselves first, so they can just disappear into the crowd after.
Admittedly that’s different than the situation with Franken where other people asking for his picture, but men are comfortable invading women’s personal space when it comes to photography. Lots of my female friends who don’t do costuming have stories about the creepy guy who gets too close for photos at family or work events. Just because Franken is famous doesn’t mean he can’t be a creepy dude who takes advantage of the situation.