Chris Chan believes that she’s an interdimensional goddess at this point. I really don’t think we can take text messages from random internet trolls at face value.
Even if she did, it’s not an idea she came up with herself. She has a legit claim to having been “gang stalked” for more than a decade. The “idea guys” had been feeding her absolutely insane and disturbing shit for years. She went along with making plot changes to Sonichu which seriously upset her (because she believes her characters are real). It’s totally plausible that she would send messages describing fucked up shit to a “girlfriend” when groomed to.
Sane and stable people send billions of dollars to their fake internet girlfriends. Chris Chan is an isolated autistic person raised by people who refused to get her help, was bullied relentlessly for making a shitty webcomic, and has had limited contact with the outside world other than a serious of increasingly elaborate trolls. She legitimately believed that “Liquid Chris” was getting deals with Nintendo for her comic ten years ago - she now believes that she’s the key to different dimensions merging or something.
I recognize that Chris Chan is bat shit insane, but I also believe fundamentally that we should refer to people by their preferred pronouns. I’m not going to put myself in the position of deciding who meets my requirements of being trans - epistemologically that’s a very hard thing to “prove.” I don’t like the precedent of this person is bad/crazy so they aren’t valid as trans people - we don’t “earn” our right to be called the correct pronoun. Would I have concerns about Chris Chan being sane enough to make reasonable decisions about HRT? Yes - but there’s zero harm in acknowledging the pronouns she prefers.
I just really think it’s dangerous to let the internet decide who is “allowed” to be considered trans. I’m a transgender man myself - I’ve experienced significant sexual trauma and there is definitely a narrative that women who aren’t really trans are tricked into transitioning because of sexual trauma.
I also do think in Christory there’s more evidence than just the Idea Guys. She historically showed a lot of disgust and comfort with penises and men. I understand not wanting her in “our camp” but I strongly believe in referring to people the way they wish to be referred to.
I think the true horror of Chris Chan’s story is that the internet can harass a severely disabled person for several decades, and folks will treat this as acceptable or deserved. Chris Chan’s break with reality makes sense - how many fake girlfriends have there been now? - but people really love the craziness. I actually like her work (in an outsider artist sense) but someone should have stopped this insanity two decades ago.
The extent to which Chris was “Made the way he was by the trolls” is often overstated, friendly reminder when he sexually assaulted his own mother he wasn’t goaded into it, tricked, or blackmailed, he did it of his own freewill and his trolls were not only shocked he did this, but were the ones who reported this to the police in the first place.
Bella is not a good source. There’s already evidence that she has fabricated other texts.
Uhh, got any more context on that? Because the messages were VERY fucking convincing.
Chris Chan believes that she’s an interdimensional goddess at this point. I really don’t think we can take text messages from random internet trolls at face value.
Even if she did, it’s not an idea she came up with herself. She has a legit claim to having been “gang stalked” for more than a decade. The “idea guys” had been feeding her absolutely insane and disturbing shit for years. She went along with making plot changes to Sonichu which seriously upset her (because she believes her characters are real). It’s totally plausible that she would send messages describing fucked up shit to a “girlfriend” when groomed to.
Sane and stable people send billions of dollars to their fake internet girlfriends. Chris Chan is an isolated autistic person raised by people who refused to get her help, was bullied relentlessly for making a shitty webcomic, and has had limited contact with the outside world other than a serious of increasingly elaborate trolls. She legitimately believed that “Liquid Chris” was getting deals with Nintendo for her comic ten years ago - she now believes that she’s the key to different dimensions merging or something.
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I recognize that Chris Chan is bat shit insane, but I also believe fundamentally that we should refer to people by their preferred pronouns. I’m not going to put myself in the position of deciding who meets my requirements of being trans - epistemologically that’s a very hard thing to “prove.” I don’t like the precedent of this person is bad/crazy so they aren’t valid as trans people - we don’t “earn” our right to be called the correct pronoun. Would I have concerns about Chris Chan being sane enough to make reasonable decisions about HRT? Yes - but there’s zero harm in acknowledging the pronouns she prefers.
I just really think it’s dangerous to let the internet decide who is “allowed” to be considered trans. I’m a transgender man myself - I’ve experienced significant sexual trauma and there is definitely a narrative that women who aren’t really trans are tricked into transitioning because of sexual trauma.
I also do think in Christory there’s more evidence than just the Idea Guys. She historically showed a lot of disgust and comfort with penises and men. I understand not wanting her in “our camp” but I strongly believe in referring to people the way they wish to be referred to.
I think the true horror of Chris Chan’s story is that the internet can harass a severely disabled person for several decades, and folks will treat this as acceptable or deserved. Chris Chan’s break with reality makes sense - how many fake girlfriends have there been now? - but people really love the craziness. I actually like her work (in an outsider artist sense) but someone should have stopped this insanity two decades ago.
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Bella is not a good source. There’s already evidence that she has fabricated other texts.
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