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I am so so divided on if I should vote for biden or not. I wanna vote third party to at least do something or should I just stay home and protest and advocate where I can? Thoughts?
Yes, orange man bad, specifically orange man worse than democrats. The GOP raising it’s hackles over libya isn’t what created the tea party that led to the maga hats. It was a small, slow growing movement as the democrats alienated rust belt blue collar workers. It exploded into the forward momentum that turned into the maga cult when a black man was elected president. I was traveling around with a camera man friend of mine collecting b-roll of the tea party at the time for a news station. We spent a lot of time sitting just outside of groups of tea partiers, listening to them, from state to state. They felt alienated and then a black man was elected and they lost their shit. Trump simply took that and ran with it. He succeeded because people felt the way about Hillary you do about Biden. Now we have lost the judiciary, possibly for decades, to theocrats.
The members of the DNC who are strongly against what is happening in Israel do not have the influence, and wont have it in time, to do anything for palastine.
I have read many first hand accounts from people leading up to highly authoritarian take overs, and there is a lot of rhetoric from people who were sure that shutting themselves off to politics, not voting for the lesser evil, etc. was reasonable, that it was the only way to exercise influence over politicians they weren’t happy about, and that if those extremist reactionaries got into office they would implode and the other side would have to grow a spine as people got fed-up with their bullshit. Spoiler, those parties did implode, but only after taking over and installing something far worse than the status quo. They stayed there until enough violence was applied to stop them, or they ruined their economies so badly that they collapsed. No one living in the aftermath, who maintained this rhetoric, said “worth it!” in the end.
Have you read the 2025 project? If you haven’t I highly suggest reading it. It spends almost 1k pages detailing exactly why much of what you say is meaningless to them, and actually would help them in pulling this shit off.
here - Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise Poject 2025 The Presidential Transition Project
https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
If you haven’t read it, well, the most egregiously opposed to your political/philosophical alignment element has literally published their play book, or war stratagem, if you will. If you want to think you know anything about what the GOP plans to do, here it is, what they have spent about 50 years laying the groundwork for, in fine detail.
I’m not shutting myself off to politics. I’m voting down ticket! I’m involved in-
other ways I’d rather not discuss.I’m just not voting for Biden. That’s a completely different supposition than just not voting at all, which is what the 2025 project would assume. Trump only had success because people who refused to vote for Hillary refused to vote down ticket and just stayed home. I’m not doing that.If Trump doesn’t have a cooperative legislature or state governments then he can’t accomplish shit. He’ll be an impotent cry baby that screams about how this is the most unfair etc etc. Also, like I said, if Trump is in power I am almost certain that partisanship would force Democrats to grow a spine and progressive Dems would be able to recruit a lot of party members because Orange Man Bad.
I. Am. Voting. I’m just not voting for Biden.
Now, if winning the presidency alone is enough for a fascist takeover then that shit is inevitable, unless you think there will never be another Republican president ever again. And if that’s enough, then it’s better for it to be a dumbass like Trump than a smart fascist.
Reading comprehension
when discussing the zeitgeist of politics leading up to a historic even and listing some of them, saying many people were shutting themselves off to politics, not voting for the lesser evil, etc. It does not mean everyone, nor the person I am addressing, is doing all of those things. It means that is a quick example of the various types of things that were common at the time. You fall into the second one because you are specifically not doing that with the presidency.
You did not read the 2025 Project plan. It is designed to specifically nullify the effects of most local voting powers by using a lot of legally questionable “powers” of the executive office. Meaning the only thing stopping it from being allowed is the USSC, you know, the one they stacked specifically for this, when people took your stance with Hillary. Don’t comment on something you haven’t read.
… so you’re just smearing everything together in a big blob of “them” so you can tear down a strawman.
Am I arguing with ChatGPT? What the fuck is this?
I’m not going to read a 920 page document for an internet argument lol
No, I named 2 common ideas I saw espoused reading first hand accounts leading up to said historical events, one of which is exactly what you did, the other is also a common talking point for the same general crowd. It’s not my fault you can’t parse a tiny amount of information. How is pointing out that what you are doing, which I am arguing is bad if you don’t want a more authoritarian government, has historically been a common thought process leading up to authoritarian control, a strawman? It is literally a historical example of what happens in the type of situation being discussed.
Don’t read the document for an internet argument, read it because it is an important piece of information to understand if you want to participate with society in an informed manner. Simply don’t comment on the scenario when you don’t even know what it is.