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  • Blackbeard
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    11 year ago

    If the “corrupt” system goes away, the implicit coordination with PACs doesn’t. You will quite literally only be punishing the good guys. You should be far more specific that what you want to outlaw is quid pro quo lobbying, not the whole concept of lobbying itself.

    Also I pointed out that you are factually incorrect on being able to meet with a Congressional representative, your goalpost shift notwithstanding.

    • blazera
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      11 year ago

      Lobbying does not exist in its historical definition anymore. Even in non-profit examples, it’s still monetary influence rather than just spoken. That’s what people are talking about when they say lobbying, if you see a political call to action of writing your congressman, tell me if they describe it as lobbying your congressman.

      I aint moving goalposts, I claim you cannot have a personal meeting with your congressman. If you are a representative of some large organization, maybe.

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        1 year ago

        Wrong and wrong. I know and work with several registered lobbyists, as well as people who do occasional environmental lobbying. To say you’re completely and utterly misinformed (on both points) would be an understatement.

        • blazera
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          11 year ago

          you knowing lobbyists changes what? Are they registered with organizations that are doing no political contributions? The fact that they’re registered lobbyists is kind of what I’ve been talking about, you came in talking about how I want to make it a crime to meet with my representative. Im not a lobbyist, I don’t represent any organization, I dont have a political fund to influence my representative.

          • Blackbeard
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            11 year ago

            Are they registered with organizations that are doing no political contributions?

            Yes. Novel idea, I know. That’s the kind of information you learn from experience, rather than gut hunches and the news media.

            you came in talking about how I want to make it a crime to meet with my representative.

            And you said exactly that. The kind of activity that a colleague of mine does to advocate for clean rivers would be illegal. Not my fault you used sweeping generalizations that don’t reflect reality.

            Im not a lobbyist, I don’t represent any organization, I dont have a political fund to influence my representative.

            Yet you are legally allowed to lobby your elected representatives.