The rise of inexpensive Chinese electric vehicles has upped the pressure on legacy automakers who have turned to suppliers, from battery materials makers to chipmakers, to squeeze out costs and develop affordable EVs quicker than previously planned.
Yup. Once you go down the rabbit hole of what kind of CCP propaganda gets pushed constantly, it’s eye watering. I’ve been to China at its peak (2011), and I have multiple Chinese family members born and raised in China. The propaganda is no joke. It’s subtle and everywhere. You say “I think Chinese EVs aren’t safe”, then you’ll start getting accused of attacking “Asians”, which is a classic technique to push the argument from “manufacturing practices” right over to racism.
I’ve never seen anyone get accused of attacking Asians for such a thing but I’ve seen “Chinese propaganda” to dismiss comments often.
I think the main discussion right now is that western car companies are stalling the transition out of greed and getting the government to help them by banning the competition. This seems like oil company meddling to me.
Your hate boner is causing you to completely miss the picture. For all this talk about propaganda, you are literally spewing out oil industry talking points.
you are literally spewing out oil industry talking points.
Not at all. My original comment in this thread was replying to a comment that made it seem another person was vilifying “Asians” as opposed to talking about the technology.
If you’re talking about my other comments in this post, then that’s still not true. I’m not saying, and haven’t said, that EVs are bad. I’m saying China is contributing to massive amounts of ecological damage. They produce massive amounts of of e-bikes and EVs, and then throw them into a field never to be used. This is being done to meet quotas so they can get government subsidies, and to boost numbers.
It’s not about the damage of making batteries and other components, it’s the damage being done by creating those things at such a scale that a lot of it is wasteful and unnecessary. And to top it off, there’s going to be even more damage as those vehicles rot in those huge fields and leach harmful stuff into the ground.
So no, I’m not “spewing out oil industry talking points”. I hate that people just assume what you’re saying without taking a moment to understand the context. The oil industry is among the nastiest groups of people to ever live, but that doesn’t give EV makers a free pass to do whatever. The reality is that, right now, making EVs is a dirty process. So it has to be done right and carefully, otherwise we won’t be around to see the benefits.
Yup. Once you go down the rabbit hole of what kind of CCP propaganda gets pushed constantly, it’s eye watering. I’ve been to China at its peak (2011), and I have multiple Chinese family members born and raised in China. The propaganda is no joke. It’s subtle and everywhere. You say “I think Chinese EVs aren’t safe”, then you’ll start getting accused of attacking “Asians”, which is a classic technique to push the argument from “manufacturing practices” right over to racism.
I’ve never seen anyone get accused of attacking Asians for such a thing but I’ve seen “Chinese propaganda” to dismiss comments often.
I think the main discussion right now is that western car companies are stalling the transition out of greed and getting the government to help them by banning the competition. This seems like oil company meddling to me.
Your hate boner is causing you to completely miss the picture. For all this talk about propaganda, you are literally spewing out oil industry talking points.
Not at all. My original comment in this thread was replying to a comment that made it seem another person was vilifying “Asians” as opposed to talking about the technology.
If you’re talking about my other comments in this post, then that’s still not true. I’m not saying, and haven’t said, that EVs are bad. I’m saying China is contributing to massive amounts of ecological damage. They produce massive amounts of of e-bikes and EVs, and then throw them into a field never to be used. This is being done to meet quotas so they can get government subsidies, and to boost numbers.
It’s not about the damage of making batteries and other components, it’s the damage being done by creating those things at such a scale that a lot of it is wasteful and unnecessary. And to top it off, there’s going to be even more damage as those vehicles rot in those huge fields and leach harmful stuff into the ground.
So no, I’m not “spewing out oil industry talking points”. I hate that people just assume what you’re saying without taking a moment to understand the context. The oil industry is among the nastiest groups of people to ever live, but that doesn’t give EV makers a free pass to do whatever. The reality is that, right now, making EVs is a dirty process. So it has to be done right and carefully, otherwise we won’t be around to see the benefits.