For those who find this a win, it’s not, they never are. At best, these laws backfire. Read on.
You can’t ban an AR-15. All you can do is ban a certain features. OK. Now you got stupid features like California imposes. A “fin” on the back of the grip, so it’s not a “pistol” grip. A tubular stock instead of triangular.
CA law said (overturned) that you can either have a detachable magazine that only holds 10-rounds, or you could “pin” the mag in permanently. Saw a guy with a 3D printed speed-loader that would slam 30 rounds through the breach in one push. Easier than hand loading!
If I lived in IL? Been looking for an excuse to buy a Mini 14. Basically the same gun, doesn’t look scary.
Point being, all this law accomplishes is a loss of political capital, loss of single-issue voters. Excellent way to get more Republican votes!
Well, there is one other thing. This nonsense drives AR-15 sales. This particular lib had no interest in an AR-15 until everyone started screaming BAN after Uvalde. Love mine! Thanks fellow libs!
Let me show you why you’re wrong. Both of these laws have stood up to repeated constitutional challenges. They both defacto banned specific types and classes of weapons from being manufactured and sold to the general public. I’m really tired of people using this same stupid fucking argument.
You felt the need to go buy a gun as a form of protest. Congratulations on being a part of an even larger problem in this country, which is a lack of critical thinking skills. If you actually gave a shit about changing the world you wouldn’t be reinforcing gun culture as a way to “own the libs” and then bragging about it on Lemmy.
Did you even read what I wrote, or just spaz out and react? Believe it or not, we’re much on the same side.
Both of these laws have stood up to repeated constitutional challenges.
Uh, no, they didn’t. I was talking about the '94 ban, which was eventually dropped, leading to the rise of AR-15 purchases. How did that work out for ya?
I admit ignorance as to the '86 law! But given my ignorance, why am I ignorant? Seems a thing guntubers, and such other content as I consume (mostly non-partisan), would be railing about? If it’s such a “gotcha” law, why do I see no one talking about it? Be happy for an ELI5. Always happy to learn.
go buy a gun as a form of protest
as a way to “own the libs”
Again, didn’t actually read what I wrote? I AM a liberal. I bought an AR to get grandfathered. Liberals literally sold this liberal an AR. How did that work out for ya?
You are approaching me as a right-wing gun nut. And not in good faith. We’re not solving anything talking like this.
Yes, they absolutely did. You should educate yourself. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban was not overturned. It expired due to an automatic sunset provision in 2004. It repeatedly withstood legal challenges in front of multiple different appellate courts, on varied grounds, and was unilaterally ruled to be constitutional.
So, like I said before, your argument is bullshit. You are obviously repeating regurgitated talking points you have heard without being even moderately aware of the history of this issue. We can argue about the structural differences in the legal landscape that exist today that may change the functional legality of the FAWB, but that has everything to do with the intentional manipulation of the court system rather than any substantive legal differences that would make the law unconstitutional today.
Same thing here in Australia. No semiautomatic rifles after Port Arthur, but everyone thinks we banned guns completely (we didn’t, and there are more in the country now than ever in its history.)
We’ve still got semiautomatic handguns, our AR15’s just became pump action, and our shotguns had little buttons or levers added as bolt releases in order to skirt the law, with new variations popping up every time a ban happens (check out the Templeton T2000 - fires just as quickly as a regular semi-auto 12 gauge and is totally legal to own in the easiest license class to obtain.) Hell, I own five guns myself, two of which are handguns (Glock 19 and Beretta 92X both in 9mm, 10rnd mags.)
What Australia DOESN’T have is a culture of gun fetishization. How any American thinks these laws will work in their state, let alone the entire country, is just insane to me. I also happen to think that a government disarming people is a really fucking bad idea, and even a growing number of young Aussies are starting to change their views in that area as well.
So good on ya. Hold onto that AR. I’ll now accept everyone’s inevitable downvotes.
You nailed it. I’ve said over and over again, America doesn’t have a gun problem. American has a culture problem.
Same liberals saying prohibition doesn’t work in other legal arenas, scream prohibition. Fuck me. When we were college kids in the 90s, we were always saying, “You can’t legislate morality.” And here we are.
We had AR-15s when I was a kid, in the 70s. AR-15s didn’t become popular until after the ban was repealed. My fellow libs, how did that work out for you? Still want to do this dance?
Know what we didn’t have? School shootings. That shit came after Columbine. If the pipe bomb those assholes brought would have functioned, maybe that would be the “cool” thing?
In some way, we have to make guns “uncool”. Make them seen as a thing that only practiced and trained users are capable of owning responsibly. Not talking laws like that! We’re already talking about backfiring laws. But socially speaking, a gun owner should be held to a higher responsibility. Hollywood ain’t helping.
Sorry, but the 2A exists and prevents such laws, and the courts uphold it. But FFS, take away the ignorance and fetishization. I’m rambling, but I think you get me.
For those who find this a win, it’s not, they never are. At best, these laws backfire. Read on.
You can’t ban an AR-15. All you can do is ban a certain features. OK. Now you got stupid features like California imposes. A “fin” on the back of the grip, so it’s not a “pistol” grip. A tubular stock instead of triangular.
CA law said (overturned) that you can either have a detachable magazine that only holds 10-rounds, or you could “pin” the mag in permanently. Saw a guy with a 3D printed speed-loader that would slam 30 rounds through the breach in one push. Easier than hand loading!
If I lived in IL? Been looking for an excuse to buy a Mini 14. Basically the same gun, doesn’t look scary.
Point being, all this law accomplishes is a loss of political capital, loss of single-issue voters. Excellent way to get more Republican votes!
Well, there is one other thing. This nonsense drives AR-15 sales. This particular lib had no interest in an AR-15 until everyone started screaming BAN after Uvalde. Love mine! Thanks fellow libs!
Let me show you why you’re wrong. Both of these laws have stood up to repeated constitutional challenges. They both defacto banned specific types and classes of weapons from being manufactured and sold to the general public. I’m really tired of people using this same stupid fucking argument.
You felt the need to go buy a gun as a form of protest. Congratulations on being a part of an even larger problem in this country, which is a lack of critical thinking skills. If you actually gave a shit about changing the world you wouldn’t be reinforcing gun culture as a way to “own the libs” and then bragging about it on Lemmy.
Federal Assault Weapons Ban (1994)
Firearm Owners Protection Act (1986)
Did you even read what I wrote, or just spaz out and react? Believe it or not, we’re much on the same side.
Uh, no, they didn’t. I was talking about the '94 ban, which was eventually dropped, leading to the rise of AR-15 purchases. How did that work out for ya?
I admit ignorance as to the '86 law! But given my ignorance, why am I ignorant? Seems a thing guntubers, and such other content as I consume (mostly non-partisan), would be railing about? If it’s such a “gotcha” law, why do I see no one talking about it? Be happy for an ELI5. Always happy to learn.
Again, didn’t actually read what I wrote? I AM a liberal. I bought an AR to get grandfathered. Liberals literally sold this liberal an AR. How did that work out for ya?
You are approaching me as a right-wing gun nut. And not in good faith. We’re not solving anything talking like this.
Yes, they absolutely did. You should educate yourself. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban was not overturned. It expired due to an automatic sunset provision in 2004. It repeatedly withstood legal challenges in front of multiple different appellate courts, on varied grounds, and was unilaterally ruled to be constitutional.
So, like I said before, your argument is bullshit. You are obviously repeating regurgitated talking points you have heard without being even moderately aware of the history of this issue. We can argue about the structural differences in the legal landscape that exist today that may change the functional legality of the FAWB, but that has everything to do with the intentional manipulation of the court system rather than any substantive legal differences that would make the law unconstitutional today.
Same thing here in Australia. No semiautomatic rifles after Port Arthur, but everyone thinks we banned guns completely (we didn’t, and there are more in the country now than ever in its history.)
We’ve still got semiautomatic handguns, our AR15’s just became pump action, and our shotguns had little buttons or levers added as bolt releases in order to skirt the law, with new variations popping up every time a ban happens (check out the Templeton T2000 - fires just as quickly as a regular semi-auto 12 gauge and is totally legal to own in the easiest license class to obtain.) Hell, I own five guns myself, two of which are handguns (Glock 19 and Beretta 92X both in 9mm, 10rnd mags.)
What Australia DOESN’T have is a culture of gun fetishization. How any American thinks these laws will work in their state, let alone the entire country, is just insane to me. I also happen to think that a government disarming people is a really fucking bad idea, and even a growing number of young Aussies are starting to change their views in that area as well.
So good on ya. Hold onto that AR. I’ll now accept everyone’s inevitable downvotes.
You nailed it. I’ve said over and over again, America doesn’t have a gun problem. American has a culture problem.
Same liberals saying prohibition doesn’t work in other legal arenas, scream prohibition. Fuck me. When we were college kids in the 90s, we were always saying, “You can’t legislate morality.” And here we are.
We had AR-15s when I was a kid, in the 70s. AR-15s didn’t become popular until after the ban was repealed. My fellow libs, how did that work out for you? Still want to do this dance?
Know what we didn’t have? School shootings. That shit came after Columbine. If the pipe bomb those assholes brought would have functioned, maybe that would be the “cool” thing?
In some way, we have to make guns “uncool”. Make them seen as a thing that only practiced and trained users are capable of owning responsibly. Not talking laws like that! We’re already talking about backfiring laws. But socially speaking, a gun owner should be held to a higher responsibility. Hollywood ain’t helping.
Sorry, but the 2A exists and prevents such laws, and the courts uphold it. But FFS, take away the ignorance and fetishization. I’m rambling, but I think you get me.