California’s lieutenant governor sent a letter to the state’s secretary of state on Wednesday asking her to explore "every legal option" to remove former President Don...
"In her letter, Kounalakis acknowledged there would be ‘political punditry’ about a potential decision to remove Trump from the primary ballot but said ‘this is not a matter of political gamesmanship.’ "
Bullshit.
Not only is this gamesmanship, it’s foolish gamesmanship… Dems are gonna shoot themselves square in the foot with this shit.
If you do declare trump ineligible, what goes on the ballot? You gonna have one of them third world elections with just one name on it? No, you’re gonna have trumps mini-me clone… Fucking desantis…
You got Colorado right now. That’s not gonna have a huge impact on it’s own. Those electoral votes were going to be bidens regardless, so it’s something the GOP can, and likely will, completely ignore. In terms of the gamesmanship, all thatx happened is Colorado having made a statement.
If California joins them, it’s just as irrelevant (California’s electorals also belong to Biden), however, it’s now doubled as a statement. It’s twice as loud, and half as ignorable.
The real danger is that a state that matters jumps on the bandwagon. Notably Arizona… If a state that has the capability to determine the outcome opts to bar trump, the GOP will drop him and run desantis in 50 states. You’ll have every single red state supporting fucking desantis, and the potential to pull “martyr” votes in the battleground states for fucking desantis.
If you had to choose trump or desantis, would you go with desantis? That answer should definitely be no, because a lot of the shit cited as being what’s wrong with trump is more attributable to desantis than to trump himself.
Dems are playing with fire with this bullshit, and saying it ain’t gamesmanship is as valid in my opinion as trump saying he wasn’t responsible for the rioting. Possible, but I got some doubts :)
Except that Trump is a crybaby little bitch who would never in a million years support Rhonda or anyone else for a position he feels is “his.” He’s more likely to encourage his rabid lunatic supporters to write him in even if it’s not going to work, and plenty of them would. Then you’d have the Republicans who would be slightly more rational and vote for the actual nominee in hopes that there’s enough of them.
I’m not saying it’s impossible that we’ll end up with a Republican president. I’m actually terrified that will happen. I’m just saying I don’t think states expecting the constitution to be enforced are going to be the reason.
You’re very verbose, but this is about all you’re saying. But there’s a reason these Supreme Court Justices (for Colorado) came to this conclusion other than “gamesmanship”: It’s the fucking right thing to do, and they believe in upholding the law and adhering to The Constitution.
Trump didn’t just not call off his supporters attacking the very heart of our country’s democracy, he didn’t just incite them and gleefully watch the violence and chaos on TV, he didn’t just violate his sworn oath to defend and uphold The Constitution, he didn’t just demand his Vice President violate his oath and refuse to certify the votes, he didn’t just send fake electors, he didn’t just call senators and governors begging for more votes to be “found”, he didn’t just participate in other illegal methods of fraudulently attempting to stay in power… He did all of these!!!
He is legally inelligible to be president again, and we can’t speak this truth enough.
That guy may not, but I do. So, yes to recognizing the validity of the 14th Amendment’s applicability to Trump thereby rendering him ineligible for office, and to all gun laws being an infringement. If you go left far enough, you get your guns back.
Not sure if that’s “left”, as it’s kinda hard to define those terms anymore, but i exist in a similar place I think :)
My objections are actually related to due process. I feel there’s definitely shadow of doubt there, and while I don’t like trump, I’m not willing to ignore that shadow, and the current bullshit going on in Texas with Biden is a pretty solid example of why… Not to say they’re the same thing at all, the Biden thing is not even a shadow, it’s just outright bullshit, but if you don’t need an actual conviction, then that’s going to be the inevitable outcome…
Do you feel that “left” as you’ve defined it means democrat? I don’t. I certainly don’t think it means Republican either though. Not trying to stir any pots or anything, it’s just kinda rare for me to agree with a sentiment as much as I agree with yours and I’m genuinely curious about your opinion on the matter :)
Do you feel that “left” as you’ve defined it means democrat?
In principle? No. In practice? The US’s elections are governed by first past the post voting. Until we reform how politicians are elected by enacting more sensible term limits, make lobbying illegal and remove other moneyed interests from public service, and institute ranked choice voting or something similar, the only responsible party to vote for winds up being the Democratic Party despite them not aligning with my preferences on either end of the spectrum.
Ultimately, I think I’m something like a Libertarian who supports taxes for the betterment of society. I think centralized government’s responsibility is to provide services for the constituents they represent and to ensure that our laws are centered on maintaining as much individual liberty as possible.
Meatball Ron might be more dangerous when it comes to legislation, he sucks when it comes to actually riling people up. People like it when he does dick things but he’s not gonna fill venues with people eager to do whatever he says. We are so far into the danger zone with trump that him getting into power will be the end rather than just being awful
I feel you, but it’s unlikely DeSantis will win the Republican primary next year even if Trump is booted out of the ballots of every blue state. DeSantis just sucks.
He’s kinda the only other option the weird cultist zealots will go for… The GOP kinda signed the contract in blood when they agreed to let trump put the R by his name… A lot of those voters won’t go back to anything resembling a jeb , etc
No, it’s the Constitution, plain and simple. He violated his oath of office, so he is ineligible to hold that office or any other again. The only way for him to become eligible is for Congress to vote that he is, with a two thirds majority.
If the RNC decides to unilaterally change their candidate to Haley or DeSantis or another candidate just because Trump is removed from a swing state ballot, I feel like Trump won’t admit defeat and his supporters will just write him in or just not vote. His supporters are already distrustful of organizations like Fox. Winning any elections ever would become much more difficult for a long time.
Why do you keep saying “Dems” like this is some kind of decision arrived at by the DNC or the Biden Administration? This is the result of a group of attorneys and 4 judges in Colorado. I and everyone else in this thread had zero say in the matter. I even think you may be right that this ends up being a negative for the Dems. We will see.
That said, attorneys and judges being what they are, I don’t see how this wasn’t going to happen one way or another regardless of what anyone thinks about it.
Also, I would take Desantis over Trump in a heartbeat. Desantis would be bad, but he is not a gifted politician and doesn’t have anything like Trump’s cultish following and ironclad control over the cowardly leadership in the Republican party. There is no universe in which a president Desantis becomes a permanent dictator. He’d be lucky to complete a single term in office.
"In her letter, Kounalakis acknowledged there would be ‘political punditry’ about a potential decision to remove Trump from the primary ballot but said ‘this is not a matter of political gamesmanship.’ "
Bullshit.
Not only is this gamesmanship, it’s foolish gamesmanship… Dems are gonna shoot themselves square in the foot with this shit.
If you do declare trump ineligible, what goes on the ballot? You gonna have one of them third world elections with just one name on it? No, you’re gonna have trumps mini-me clone… Fucking desantis…
You got Colorado right now. That’s not gonna have a huge impact on it’s own. Those electoral votes were going to be bidens regardless, so it’s something the GOP can, and likely will, completely ignore. In terms of the gamesmanship, all thatx happened is Colorado having made a statement.
If California joins them, it’s just as irrelevant (California’s electorals also belong to Biden), however, it’s now doubled as a statement. It’s twice as loud, and half as ignorable.
The real danger is that a state that matters jumps on the bandwagon. Notably Arizona… If a state that has the capability to determine the outcome opts to bar trump, the GOP will drop him and run desantis in 50 states. You’ll have every single red state supporting fucking desantis, and the potential to pull “martyr” votes in the battleground states for fucking desantis.
If you had to choose trump or desantis, would you go with desantis? That answer should definitely be no, because a lot of the shit cited as being what’s wrong with trump is more attributable to desantis than to trump himself.
Dems are playing with fire with this bullshit, and saying it ain’t gamesmanship is as valid in my opinion as trump saying he wasn’t responsible for the rioting. Possible, but I got some doubts :)
Except that Trump is a crybaby little bitch who would never in a million years support Rhonda or anyone else for a position he feels is “his.” He’s more likely to encourage his rabid lunatic supporters to write him in even if it’s not going to work, and plenty of them would. Then you’d have the Republicans who would be slightly more rational and vote for the actual nominee in hopes that there’s enough of them.
I’m not saying it’s impossible that we’ll end up with a Republican president. I’m actually terrified that will happen. I’m just saying I don’t think states expecting the constitution to be enforced are going to be the reason.
You’re very verbose, but this is about all you’re saying. But there’s a reason these Supreme Court Justices (for Colorado) came to this conclusion other than “gamesmanship”: It’s the fucking right thing to do, and they believe in upholding the law and adhering to The Constitution.
Trump didn’t just not call off his supporters attacking the very heart of our country’s democracy, he didn’t just incite them and gleefully watch the violence and chaos on TV, he didn’t just violate his sworn oath to defend and uphold The Constitution, he didn’t just demand his Vice President violate his oath and refuse to certify the votes, he didn’t just send fake electors, he didn’t just call senators and governors begging for more votes to be “found”, he didn’t just participate in other illegal methods of fraudulently attempting to stay in power… He did all of these!!!
He is legally inelligible to be president again, and we can’t speak this truth enough.
“We shouldn’t uphold the Constitution because it might hurt ME Politically!”
So you believe in “shall not be infringed” then?
Constitution is usually those other guys… Ya know?
That guy may not, but I do. So, yes to recognizing the validity of the 14th Amendment’s applicability to Trump thereby rendering him ineligible for office, and to all gun laws being an infringement. If you go left far enough, you get your guns back.
Not sure if that’s “left”, as it’s kinda hard to define those terms anymore, but i exist in a similar place I think :)
My objections are actually related to due process. I feel there’s definitely shadow of doubt there, and while I don’t like trump, I’m not willing to ignore that shadow, and the current bullshit going on in Texas with Biden is a pretty solid example of why… Not to say they’re the same thing at all, the Biden thing is not even a shadow, it’s just outright bullshit, but if you don’t need an actual conviction, then that’s going to be the inevitable outcome…
Do you feel that “left” as you’ve defined it means democrat? I don’t. I certainly don’t think it means Republican either though. Not trying to stir any pots or anything, it’s just kinda rare for me to agree with a sentiment as much as I agree with yours and I’m genuinely curious about your opinion on the matter :)
In principle? No. In practice? The US’s elections are governed by first past the post voting. Until we reform how politicians are elected by enacting more sensible term limits, make lobbying illegal and remove other moneyed interests from public service, and institute ranked choice voting or something similar, the only responsible party to vote for winds up being the Democratic Party despite them not aligning with my preferences on either end of the spectrum.
Ultimately, I think I’m something like a Libertarian who supports taxes for the betterment of society. I think centralized government’s responsibility is to provide services for the constituents they represent and to ensure that our laws are centered on maintaining as much individual liberty as possible.
What is it your party is fond of saying? Oh yes, fuck your feelings.
Don’t have a party, I just dislike desantis even more than trump…
Meatball Ron might be more dangerous when it comes to legislation, he sucks when it comes to actually riling people up. People like it when he does dick things but he’s not gonna fill venues with people eager to do whatever he says. We are so far into the danger zone with trump that him getting into power will be the end rather than just being awful
I feel you, but it’s unlikely DeSantis will win the Republican primary next year even if Trump is booted out of the ballots of every blue state. DeSantis just sucks.
He’s kinda the only other option the weird cultist zealots will go for… The GOP kinda signed the contract in blood when they agreed to let trump put the R by his name… A lot of those voters won’t go back to anything resembling a jeb , etc
Then the problem is our countrymen, and us for whay we’re wasting our lives under their thumb to begin with.
No, it’s the Constitution, plain and simple. He violated his oath of office, so he is ineligible to hold that office or any other again. The only way for him to become eligible is for Congress to vote that he is, with a two thirds majority.
Courts enforcing plain laws is gamesmanship?
If the RNC decides to unilaterally change their candidate to Haley or DeSantis or another candidate just because Trump is removed from a swing state ballot, I feel like Trump won’t admit defeat and his supporters will just write him in or just not vote. His supporters are already distrustful of organizations like Fox. Winning any elections ever would become much more difficult for a long time.
Hey buddy, go check who filed the suit that got him booted in Colorado. Hint: their political party starts with an R, not a D.
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It will be Haley. Why would it be DeSantis, he’s doing terribly.
/s/DeSantis/Haley
Why do you keep saying “Dems” like this is some kind of decision arrived at by the DNC or the Biden Administration? This is the result of a group of attorneys and 4 judges in Colorado. I and everyone else in this thread had zero say in the matter. I even think you may be right that this ends up being a negative for the Dems. We will see.
That said, attorneys and judges being what they are, I don’t see how this wasn’t going to happen one way or another regardless of what anyone thinks about it.
Also, I would take Desantis over Trump in a heartbeat. Desantis would be bad, but he is not a gifted politician and doesn’t have anything like Trump’s cultish following and ironclad control over the cowardly leadership in the Republican party. There is no universe in which a president Desantis becomes a permanent dictator. He’d be lucky to complete a single term in office.
No I’d go with neither, because I’m a registered Democrat, so I don’t get a say in the Republican primary in my state 🙂