Protesters calling for a cease-fire in Gaza interrupted President Biden’s speech in South Carolina on Monday, the latest example of divisions among Democrats over the fighting in the Middle East. B…
First past the post voting is horrible. But until we get ranked choice, either hold your nose and vote, or understand that not voting is EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to a vote for whoever you hate most.
CPG grey did a great video on why first past the post sucks.
Well said. And we’re NEVER going to get ranked vote with Biden or the current Democrats. Voting Democrat only keeps the two party gig going longer. How long has it been now, 150 years of the same back and forth?
Unless they start to feel the need to change anything they will never do it if you keep voting for them when they act like this.
So if you think protest voting is going to somehow snap the neo liberals out of their ideology and drag them in a more progressive direction, you’re going to be in for a big disappointment.
This two party game has been going for 50 years in its current form (post civil rights era). The Democratic party hasn’t fundamentally changed its tune during that time because people who run and get elected are rich and powerful enough to be isolated from any effects of fascists getting elected. They don’t have to care like us peons / targets of hate.
We will (continue) make more progress by supporting efforts to change our voting methods. Eventually (and playing the long game is necessary; a single election will do nothing) rcv and similar will gain enough momentum that we will start to see viable parties appear with platforms we agree with more than the current main parties.
What stops ranked choice from being a Democratic Party platform is that the Democratic Party has no incentive to reduce its power and neither does the Republican party
You know who did withdraw from Afghanistan? Orange Man.
If you trust the guy currently bypassing congress so he can commit genocide instead of to fix the democracy, I’m not entirely sure how to convince you otherwise.
That’s odd because I distinctly remember all the Trumptards complaining about how horrible the withdrawal under Biden went. You sound like the jackass who was “just asking questions” about where Obama was on 9-11.
Biden has complete powers to fix it he could apppoint more judges if he wanted to.
It’s in fact far easier to fix than you believe. It’s just that Genocide Joe knows that if the two party trick fails none of his cultists have any reason to vote for him anymore.
Getting rid of the two party system is not something the president can unilaterally do.
Nor could we possibly expect the president or higher ups in either of the two parties to try even if they could. It really has nothing to do with the SCOTUS.
The reason we have only two viable parties is our system of voting. If we change elections at the local and state level to STAR voting, ranked choice voting, instant runoff, approval voting, or similar, other parties stand a far, far better chance.
As other parties get elected at the state level momentum builds, more jurisdictions pass such laws, and eventually we have it everywhere and for all elections.
Then the Democrats will have no choice but to actually change something to get elected. Rewarding bad (see “Nazi style genocide”) behavior is what actually puts you farther away from ranked choice.
Why is everyone always pretending that every American election will be the last one ever and the entire world is going to end if their party doesn’t win.
Why is everyone always pretending that every American election will be the last one ever and the entire world is going to end if their party doesn’t win.
They literally (not figuratively, literally) said this shit in 2016. It was all Joever back then. But lo and behold, even the Republicans didn’t get in line for their god emperor Trump to hand over all power. On the 6th of January all Trump had was a bunch of Facebook looneys backing him up.
Which functionally helps Republicans get elected. You solution is to put Republicans in power hoping they destroy enough that we have to start from scratch.
What we should be doing is primarying the fuck out of every conservative Democrat in the caucus and pushing the party left while maintaining a firewall against the GOP. Not sacrificing minorities, women, immigrants, and poor people to GOP rule to prove a point.
If you can vote for two Nazis or someone else that isn’t a Nazi you don’t vote for the Nazi you like most because then he will win. You vote for the person that isn’t a Nazi.
And if you do this knowing your choice to vote for the person who never had a chance to win but isn’t a Nazi results in the worse of the two Nazis getting elected, I think you’ve made a poor moral judgement AND a poor strategic one. You’re helping the people who most want to harm you and allowing a significant amount of pain and suffering to happen to innocent people.
You can call joe biden a genocidal monster all you want but at the end of the day, Trump is going to hurt a lot of people that Joe Biden won’t. He’s going to cause more damage to the country than Joe Biden ever could and it won’t be in ways that promote the positive change we both want. This is the literal definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You talk like someone unaware of any elections since Biden.
The Democrats have lost plenty of presidential and Congressional elections. What have they changed? When have they had a “come to Jesus moment?” I can’t think of any example since the southern strategy mixed up the parties. A little shift here or there but at their core they are rich, white neo-liberals.
First past the post voting is horrible. But until we get ranked choice, either hold your nose and vote, or understand that not voting is EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to a vote for whoever you hate most.
CPG grey did a great video on why first past the post sucks.
Well said. And we’re NEVER going to get ranked vote with Biden or the current Democrats. Voting Democrat only keeps the two party gig going longer. How long has it been now, 150 years of the same back and forth?
Unless they start to feel the need to change anything they will never do it if you keep voting for them when they act like this.
Au contraire. Ranked choice is gaining traction having been adopted in 62 jurisdictions. So change is possible right now.
https://www.rcvresources.org/where-is-rcv-used
So if you think protest voting is going to somehow snap the neo liberals out of their ideology and drag them in a more progressive direction, you’re going to be in for a big disappointment.
This two party game has been going for 50 years in its current form (post civil rights era). The Democratic party hasn’t fundamentally changed its tune during that time because people who run and get elected are rich and powerful enough to be isolated from any effects of fascists getting elected. They don’t have to care like us peons / targets of hate.
We will (continue) make more progress by supporting efforts to change our voting methods. Eventually (and playing the long game is necessary; a single election will do nothing) rcv and similar will gain enough momentum that we will start to see viable parties appear with platforms we agree with more than the current main parties.
I really don’t know what stops ranked choice voting from being a Democratic Party platform right now.
I’d feel a lot better about it becoming a reality if Joe Biden himself came up and said that’s what we need to do.
What stops ranked choice from being a Democratic Party platform is that the Democratic Party has no incentive to reduce its power and neither does the Republican party
So they say they are going to do something. You know who said they were going to withdraw from Afghanistan? Democrats.
You know who did withdraw from Afghanistan? Orange Man.
If you trust the guy currently bypassing congress so he can commit genocide instead of to fix the democracy, I’m not entirely sure how to convince you otherwise.
That’s odd because I distinctly remember all the Trumptards complaining about how horrible the withdrawal under Biden went. You sound like the jackass who was “just asking questions” about where Obama was on 9-11.
If you think one president is going to fix democracy you’re always going to be disappointed. It is much easier to wreck than to fix.
If you think Democrats losing the presidency is going to fix the Democratic party, again, disappointment will be yours.
Ranked Choice (or similar) voting is something you work on at a state level.
But I’ve probably already said that to you in another comment in the past when you were saying the same kinds of things.
Biden has complete powers to fix it he could apppoint more judges if he wanted to.
It’s in fact far easier to fix than you believe. It’s just that Genocide Joe knows that if the two party trick fails none of his cultists have any reason to vote for him anymore.
I’m talking about getting rid of the two party system. What are you talking about?
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Biden doesn’t support expanding the Supreme Court, White House says
Which would allow him to get rid of the two party system if he so desired.
Getting rid of the two party system is not something the president can unilaterally do.
Nor could we possibly expect the president or higher ups in either of the two parties to try even if they could. It really has nothing to do with the SCOTUS.
The reason we have only two viable parties is our system of voting. If we change elections at the local and state level to STAR voting, ranked choice voting, instant runoff, approval voting, or similar, other parties stand a far, far better chance.
As other parties get elected at the state level momentum builds, more jurisdictions pass such laws, and eventually we have it everywhere and for all elections.
Electing Republicans puts us even FARTHER away from ranked choice, how is that a better solution?
Then the Democrats will have no choice but to actually change something to get elected. Rewarding bad (see “Nazi style genocide”) behavior is what actually puts you farther away from ranked choice.
Why is everyone always pretending that every American election will be the last one ever and the entire world is going to end if their party doesn’t win.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-immigrants-are-poisoning-blood-country-biden-campaign-liken-rcna130141
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4310834-trump-goes-all-in-on-nazi-rhetoric-and-the-media-gives-him-another-free-pass/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/donald-trumps-january-6-media
Not really a mystery.
They literally (not figuratively, literally) said this shit in 2016. It was all Joever back then. But lo and behold, even the Republicans didn’t get in line for their god emperor Trump to hand over all power. On the 6th of January all Trump had was a bunch of Facebook looneys backing him up.
July 19, 2016 If Trump wins, a coup isn’t impossible here in the U.S.
So the Republican party doesn’t endorse “Nazi style genocide”? Because if the Democrats do, they sure as fuck do. Why reward the Republicans?
No stop voting for either of them.
Which functionally helps Republicans get elected. You solution is to put Republicans in power hoping they destroy enough that we have to start from scratch.
What we should be doing is primarying the fuck out of every conservative Democrat in the caucus and pushing the party left while maintaining a firewall against the GOP. Not sacrificing minorities, women, immigrants, and poor people to GOP rule to prove a point.
Doesn’t matter they both commit genocide.
If you can vote for two Nazis or someone else that isn’t a Nazi you don’t vote for the Nazi you like most because then he will win. You vote for the person that isn’t a Nazi.
And if you do this knowing your choice to vote for the person who never had a chance to win but isn’t a Nazi results in the worse of the two Nazis getting elected, I think you’ve made a poor moral judgement AND a poor strategic one. You’re helping the people who most want to harm you and allowing a significant amount of pain and suffering to happen to innocent people.
You can call joe biden a genocidal monster all you want but at the end of the day, Trump is going to hurt a lot of people that Joe Biden won’t. He’s going to cause more damage to the country than Joe Biden ever could and it won’t be in ways that promote the positive change we both want. This is the literal definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You talk like someone unaware of any elections since Biden.
The Democrats have lost plenty of presidential and Congressional elections. What have they changed? When have they had a “come to Jesus moment?” I can’t think of any example since the southern strategy mixed up the parties. A little shift here or there but at their core they are rich, white neo-liberals.
Who is president right now