Wow, it feels like it’s been a while! And while many of KDE’s contributors have been enjoying some holiday and vacation time, quite a lot happened too! We’re getting pretty close …
Well, it’s a big upgrade underneath. They’re moving from qt5 to qt6. Tons of fundamental wayland fixes with the new toolkit/framework. You might be right that it’s not that dazzling of a visual overhaul, but it’s a mature product. We need more polish than overhaul
The migration to Qt6 and the work being carried out on Wayland, which is all going into Plasma 6.0, is going to allow massive changes that will be introduced over the 6.x series. There are some pretty cool features in 6.0, but the bigger changes will come over the next few point versions.
It is unlikely you will see any of these updates in Plasma 6.0, as they are more proof of concepts than finished, tried and tested features. But you will see them introduced over the next versions in the 6-x series.
Are you a KDE user? I switched from Gnome 3 when Plasma 5 was new, the very moment it seemed close enough to finished to expect reasonable stability. It was a huge departure from KDE4, and after trying literally every other DE to find happiness away from Gnome (that’s all I’m going to say about that) over the course of several years, it was such a welcome relief.
Plasma 5 was not only a life preserver for folks bailing from Gnome, it also showed they’d learned from their own mistakes with KDE4, which many users felt was just as much a trainwreck as Gnome 3.
There’s a lot going on under the hood with the change to QT6 as noted, and that alone merits a version number change, IMO. I haven’t tracked a whole lot of specific features, but I know there are a lot of wayland refinements and HDR support coming, and I’m doubtful that the many pointieststick blogposts have been doing nothing but writing about bugfixes and menu changes, even if I haven’t read every single one of them.
The general default look and feel maybe isn’t being radically changed, but this is Linux, and more importantly KDE; we’re all about theming and customization anyway, right?
Most importantly they aren’t throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They did it (intentionally or not) with 4, and then (in my perception) they were forced to do it with Plasma 5 because of KDE4.
After living through the transition from Gnome 2 to 3, and KDE 3.5 to 4, then feeling the relief when Plasma 5 just absolutely crushed it, I’m very happy to see them upgrading the undercarriage and making things generally better instead of building it all from the ground up again.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I’m actually 100% happy with just bugfixes. KDE is my choice, but, I mean, its still a fairly buggy desktop. It’s great, all it needs is the masses of bugs fixed, anything that does that is good. That’s all it needs.
because those two things are pretty much what Plasma needs the most at this point. the two most common complaints about Plasma are that it’s buggy and that it’s ugly.
Yeah I understand it’s a lot under the hood, but people seem to anticipate it like it’s the best and most exciting thing since the second coming of sliced bread. I kinda don’t get it. But it’s good that it’s coming along. I probably won’t even notice a difference.
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Well, it’s a big upgrade underneath. They’re moving from qt5 to qt6. Tons of fundamental wayland fixes with the new toolkit/framework. You might be right that it’s not that dazzling of a visual overhaul, but it’s a mature product. We need more polish than overhaul
The migration to Qt6 and the work being carried out on Wayland, which is all going into Plasma 6.0, is going to allow massive changes that will be introduced over the 6.x series. There are some pretty cool features in 6.0, but the bigger changes will come over the next few point versions.
I agree with you on this, but I feel we should highlight that there is a big difference between “is being implemented” and “will be implemented”.
Got a link?
If you read back Nate’s blog. He explains everything that is going on under the hood.
https://pointieststick.com/
You can also look up what people like David Edmundson and Arjen Hiemstra are doing:
http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/qt6_wayland_robustness/ http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/new-ideas-using-wayland-input-methods/ https://quantumproductions.info/articles/2023-08/remote-desktop-using-rdp-protocol-plasma-wayland
It is unlikely you will see any of these updates in Plasma 6.0, as they are more proof of concepts than finished, tried and tested features. But you will see them introduced over the next versions in the 6-x series.
Are you a KDE user? I switched from Gnome 3 when Plasma 5 was new, the very moment it seemed close enough to finished to expect reasonable stability. It was a huge departure from KDE4, and after trying literally every other DE to find happiness away from Gnome (that’s all I’m going to say about that) over the course of several years, it was such a welcome relief.
Plasma 5 was not only a life preserver for folks bailing from Gnome, it also showed they’d learned from their own mistakes with KDE4, which many users felt was just as much a trainwreck as Gnome 3.
There’s a lot going on under the hood with the change to QT6 as noted, and that alone merits a version number change, IMO. I haven’t tracked a whole lot of specific features, but I know there are a lot of wayland refinements and HDR support coming, and I’m doubtful that the many pointieststick blogposts have been doing nothing but writing about bugfixes and menu changes, even if I haven’t read every single one of them.
The general default look and feel maybe isn’t being radically changed, but this is Linux, and more importantly KDE; we’re all about theming and customization anyway, right?
Most importantly they aren’t throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They did it (intentionally or not) with 4, and then (in my perception) they were forced to do it with Plasma 5 because of KDE4.
After living through the transition from Gnome 2 to 3, and KDE 3.5 to 4, then feeling the relief when Plasma 5 just absolutely crushed it, I’m very happy to see them upgrading the undercarriage and making things generally better instead of building it all from the ground up again.
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I’m actually 100% happy with just bugfixes. KDE is my choice, but, I mean, its still a fairly buggy desktop. It’s great, all it needs is the masses of bugs fixed, anything that does that is good. That’s all it needs.
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Sure, everything has bugs and bugfixes are good. It’s just not fair to characterize this entire release as bugfixes and menu adjustments, IMO.
For me its all the stuff they’re not writing about.
Qt6 drastically improves wayland functionality.
HDR support with good SDR tonemapping/gamma 2.2
Variable Refresh Rate support for the whole desktop
ICC color profiles
And then yes the bugs. Right click menus going partially invisible, spectacle not dumping to clipboard properly, etc. all fixed. Just gone. Poof.
What’s the difference to the current Plasma 5 implementation? I was under the impression VRR always worked over the whole desktop if enabled.
because those two things are pretty much what Plasma needs the most at this point. the two most common complaints about Plasma are that it’s buggy and that it’s ugly.
Yeah I understand it’s a lot under the hood, but people seem to anticipate it like it’s the best and most exciting thing since the second coming of sliced bread. I kinda don’t get it. But it’s good that it’s coming along. I probably won’t even notice a difference.
you’d be surprised at how much of a difference that really makes