Hi all! As promised, here is the proposed text of the newest version of the rules. The staff has gone through like eight drafts and literally thousands and thousands of matrix posts to get here, so please be kind. You can see @limeey’s comment on the transparency post if you want more insight into how this sausage was made.

We are opening these rules to commentary from the community before they go into effect. To be clear, this isn’t a vote, but we will take all community feedback into account and answer whatever questions we can before finalizing anything.

Please keep in mind that we are not Reddit, we do not have Reddit’s resources, and safety and consent are our priorities.

I’ll post the draft in two parts in two comments: The new sidebar, and the FAQ/clarifications page.

  • @hwagoolioEnglish
    8•1 year ago

    If I’m interpreting your intent correctly, it sounds like you have an issue with (actual) noncon rather than the depiction of CNC in general.

    If this is the case, I would suggest rewording the rules to reflect your intent. For example, you could say: “CNC from an unverified or untrustworthy source is not allowed”, although I’m not sure how this affects your stance on fictional/illustrated dubcon/noncon, such as Game of Thrones noncon or CNC hentai.

    Otherwise, you run into issues of people (like myself) reporting everything that looks like CNC.

    • Mikey Mongol OPMAEnglish
      2•1 year ago

      You’re conflating two things. Our ethical stance is against actual noncon. Ethically, we don’t have a problem with CNC as long as it’s actually, verifiably CNC. CNC is prohibited now because of federation issues, not because we have an issue with the depiction of CNC in general.

      Once we’re able to keep certain things from federating, whether that’s via @limeey’s NSFW+ tag or some other method, CNC is probably the first thing we’ll phase back in.

      • @hwagoolioEnglish
        5•1 year ago

        So is fictional/hentai CNC and rough/brutal BDSM allowed or not? (for the time being)

        • Mikey Mongol OPMAEnglish
          2•1 year ago

          Not, and allowed assuming it doesn’t cross over into CNC, respectively. You can consent to being tied up and bastinado’d without pretending it’s NC, after all.

          • @hwagoolioEnglish
            6•1 year ago

            Huh, I do think the separation is harder than you make it out to be.

            Technically, any kind of BDSM that necessitates the use of safewords is in the territory of CNC, in the sense that if someone says “stop” and you ignore them yet you do respond if they say “pineapple” – that’s very clearly consensual nonconsent.

            Rape play is a subset of CNC, but it’s not the only kind of CNC that’s out there.

            • Mikey Mongol OPMAEnglish
              3•1 year ago

              I didn’t say it was an easy separation, just that separation was possible. there’s grey area just like any other type of human interaction, but there’s also stuff that is definitely black and definitely white.

              • @hwagoolioEnglish
                2•1 year ago

                Fair enough. Can you contact @Patriarch and make sure that they’re aware of the status of the rules?

                The last time the rules were updated, Padded and I argued for a while over rape hentai and I would prefer to avoid that kind of situation unneccessarily.

      • @boobaEnglish
        1•11 months ago

        Removed by mod

        • Mikey Mongol OPMAEnglish
          1•1 year ago

          I have a few on my personal list, but overall this is a much larger project being handled on the developer side of things. There’s a lemmy project matrix chat and more specifically, also a lemmy mod tools matrix chat. You’d want to check in there for the complete list.