TL;DR: Americans now need to make $120K a year to afford a typical middle-class life and qualify to purchase a home. Minimum.

  • Jo MiranOP
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    11 months ago

    I honestly don’t even know why this upsets me so much. I am 50 and all set. I don’t have children and barely any debt. I never considered myself particularly patriotic but somehow this whole thing gets under my skin. I guess it sours my achievements and fruits of decades of struggle (it took three generations of planning and hustle to get us out of poverty). It’s like being a kid having a birthday party at Chuck E Cheese by yourself while all your friends are locked outside and you can see them through the glass windows.

    • @[email protected]
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      11011 months ago

      It gets under my skin because the west was on the right trajectory; improving wealth equality, quality of life, work life balance, etc — Then Capitalists killed all those gains using Conservatism, Neoliberalism, and a bastardised version of Libertarianism — just to enrich a tiny percentage the human population and return the rest of humanity to feudalism.

      Why should they own all the gains from humanities collective efforts, when all of us have a rightful claim to a share of those gains?

      • @[email protected]
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        5411 months ago

        In the early 1900s we had huge fights for labor. Strikes yes, but also some literal armed fights.

        We won a lot. They conceded a lot.

        But they’ve eroded those wins, little by little, for a century or so.

        This is what will ALWAYS happen when you live in a system explicitly designed to extract profit from workers and reward greed. It cannot be reformed. It cannot be controlled. It will always slide backwards into this. We need a different system altogether.

      • speck
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        2011 months ago

        Yup, we could be creating an amazing life for more people - and damaging the environment less while we are at it; but instead “we” keep doubling down in the other direction

      • @[email protected]
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        311 months ago

        the west was on the right trajectory

        A lot of the west is still on the right trajectory. It’s the US that is not.

        There are a lot of developed countries, especially in Europe, where the “American Dream” is much easier to attain than in America. But, more often than not, they don’t even want that dream. For good reason.

    • @[email protected]
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      4211 months ago

      Wanting other people to have what you have, without your struggle, is an opinion we need more of.

      • Flying Squid
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        3111 months ago

        Especially when we have a society with a huge number of people who think that if you’re poor, you deserve it.

          • @[email protected]
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            1011 months ago

            We live in the most effectively propagandized society ever created. It hasn’t been until more recently that it’s started to slip. A lot of folks still believe in the old lies and believe that everything would work if we just got rid of the immigrants, Jews, and corrupt politicians. Still I think more people are waking up to the reality that this system is broken not the people in it.

          • @[email protected]
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            611 months ago

            And that’s because they are stupid. They are not educated becasause the education they received was garbage. All by design from your “trickle down” bringing republikkkans. Working as planned.

    • Alto
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      1111 months ago

      Because you’re not an awful person trying to pull the ladder up while saying “fuck you I got mine”

    • FlashMobOfOne
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      911 months ago

      I’m in a similar boat, except in my early 40’s.

      My parents are in their 80’s and working for DoorDash. They are lucky they at least paid off their home, because they didn’t save enough and this country is sucking every penny it can get from them.

      I bought a condo that I love, have almost all my debt paid off, and am saving for what I hope will be an early retirement. It breaks my heart to see people struggling everywhere, and if I had Elon Musk money, I wouldn’t be blowing it on a vanity space program.

      • @[email protected]
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        11 months ago

        I’m so glad my Dad, also in his 80s, programs COBOL. My parents have owned their home since 86, but I’m sure that without the random COBOL job they’d have to do door dash or something as well.