Things like “Fiat stands for “Fix It Again Tony”” etc.

    • @[email protected]
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      If you’re not in the States, Hyundai and Kia are in the top 5 for reliability, and are much more affordable than Toyota and Honda

      Best avoided if you live in that one country who’s manufacturing laws are designed to benefit shareholders rather than consumers though lol

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            710 months ago

            Location is irrelevant … That was choice by Hyundai/Kia, to cheap out and remove the immobilizers.

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              Which they only did in the States. Nowhere else. Because they could. Because they have to be competitive with US manufacturers, who are all pulling the same shit

              There’s a good reason US-made cars don’t sell well outside the US

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                Nope - US manufacturers are NOT pulling the same shit. Kia/Hyundai are the only brand in the US without immobilizers because they thought they could skimp there instead of a posher interior or more electro-gadgets. Only in the US because the law at that time didn’t require it, but other brands who also sell worldwide (where it is absolutely required) didn’t consider this an option. Kia/Hyundai clearly did. It was a stupid, stupid call and it should impact their reputation. If they skimp on something as elemental as security, where else have they skimped…?

      • Liz
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        410 months ago

        What is it about the US laws that turns those brands to shit?

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        As an American, no one I talk to in person believes me when I say that Kia and Hyundei are well regarded, if not very economic, automakers in the rest of the world.

        The only “real” Kia/Hyundei the US ever got was the KIA Borrego, which I’ve seen in person handle light trails as well as a 4Runner or Pathfinder