So you think a barista should be paid as much as a surgeon or nurse practitioner, both with more than a decade of education and correlated schooling expenses?
The meme isn’t saying that they should be paid the same, it’s saying that just because you’re a janitor doesn’t mean you deserve to be living off of ramen packets and 4 hours of sleep every day.
So the issue is already moot because people don’t even understand the nuances in the job market.
A janitor can kill people if they don’t do their job properly, or themselves, if they use any of their tools improperly. It can take several years for a professional cleaner to become well trained.
An unskilled labour position would be a cashier or barista. A farmer requires years of training and should be paid according to the amount of effort it takes to become a trained farmer. The cook (used to) require a red seal, which is several years training, now days it’s microwave/fry/flip and is thus unskilled into robot replacement.
The examples even used in the meme suck. The landscaper and construction workers are absolutely skilled labour.
This is trying to ‘equalize’ the job market but you can’t do that. Different jobs require different training and you should be paid accordingly. The only people ‘justifying’ poverty wages are the billionaires, no one else thinks that 7 dollars is appropriate, however, by trying to push this meme the OP and a lot of people in the replies are trying to pretend like ‘any job that doesn’t have a degree associated is ‘unskilled labour’ according to capitalists’ but that’s not the case, and even the investing market doesn’t believe that, i.e. ‘da capitalists’.
All labor involves skill. You can be skilled at anything and experience enhances that skill. The only question is if people value that skill. Most people value a skilled janitor; a skilled gardener; a skilled customer service representative; etc. I know I do.
A batista can kill by using incorrect cleaning chemicals, wrong ingredients to those who may be allergic, or who knows wtf. Food workers have food safety.
I think I was trying to point out that unskilled labor isn’t always unskilled. Some do require higher skill by a significant amount but there is seldom a job where no skill can get you by.
… that’s a fucking leap. If the nurse practioner has a house to live in; food on the table; and likes their job. What the fuck do they care if a barista has; a house to live in; food on the table; and likes their job???
Edit: If there is anyone here who still believes in the meritocracy, I got some shit to tell you all. You poor people still believe your ticket will come due someday and it’s all gold toilets from there.
You immediately changed the core of the discussion to fit your view not to actually discuss the matters at hand.
“Unskilled labour” = job you can be trained in, in under two months
“skilled labour” = decades of education and experience requiring acute professionalism in order to not kill people
No one said the barista can’t have a house, I specifically said, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, “you expect a barista to be paid as much as a surgeon or nurse”.
No. Because you do not deserve the pay of a surgeon or nurse and you do not have the expenses of a surgeon or nurse.
FYI medical school is extremely expensive, and so is post secondary education in any form. I say this because your clear illustration of ineptitude leads me to believe you have very little formal education, if any.
Yeah, your argument is bad. I think the number of people who legitimately think, “a barista should be paid the same as a surgeon!” are in an extreme minority. What’s not in the minority, however, are the number of people who attempt to justify poverty wages for people working jobs that don’t require as much training. The person you responded to was justified in calling your argument a leap because it is
No one saying unskilled labor is really skilled labored because it hurts the unskilled persons feelings. They are saying by calling something unskilled it is justification for them not making a living wage.
No where in the OP did they say all laborers should be paid the same.
Every time that meme is presented (or any form of 'unskilled labour isn’t real opinions) there’s a foray of incompetent tools pushing the belief that communism or some form of ‘geared wages’ is going to fix the problem with monopolies and greedy billionaires.
I, and most other comments here, are presenting a reality that ‘unskilled labour’ is real, and no one is trying to justify poverty wages, we’re justifying a reality that education does in fact make a difference for monetary gain
So you think a barista should be paid as much as a surgeon or nurse practitioner, both with more than a decade of education and correlated schooling expenses?
Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?
The meme isn’t saying that they should be paid the same, it’s saying that just because you’re a janitor doesn’t mean you deserve to be living off of ramen packets and 4 hours of sleep every day.
A janitor is skilled labour though.
So the issue is already moot because people don’t even understand the nuances in the job market.
A janitor can kill people if they don’t do their job properly, or themselves, if they use any of their tools improperly. It can take several years for a professional cleaner to become well trained.
An unskilled labour position would be a cashier or barista. A farmer requires years of training and should be paid according to the amount of effort it takes to become a trained farmer. The cook (used to) require a red seal, which is several years training, now days it’s microwave/fry/flip and is thus unskilled into robot replacement.
The examples even used in the meme suck. The landscaper and construction workers are absolutely skilled labour.
This is trying to ‘equalize’ the job market but you can’t do that. Different jobs require different training and you should be paid accordingly. The only people ‘justifying’ poverty wages are the billionaires, no one else thinks that 7 dollars is appropriate, however, by trying to push this meme the OP and a lot of people in the replies are trying to pretend like ‘any job that doesn’t have a degree associated is ‘unskilled labour’ according to capitalists’ but that’s not the case, and even the investing market doesn’t believe that, i.e. ‘da capitalists’.
All labor involves skill. You can be skilled at anything and experience enhances that skill. The only question is if people value that skill. Most people value a skilled janitor; a skilled gardener; a skilled customer service representative; etc. I know I do.
A batista can kill by using incorrect cleaning chemicals, wrong ingredients to those who may be allergic, or who knows wtf. Food workers have food safety.
Don’t be so silly.
You are missing the point of what I said or are intentionally misrepresenting what I said.
I think I was trying to point out that unskilled labor isn’t always unskilled. Some do require higher skill by a significant amount but there is seldom a job where no skill can get you by.
You can’t go in to a job and do it with zero experience anywhere, therefore it is skilled labour.
… that’s a fucking leap. If the nurse practioner has a house to live in; food on the table; and likes their job. What the fuck do they care if a barista has; a house to live in; food on the table; and likes their job???
Edit: If there is anyone here who still believes in the meritocracy, I got some shit to tell you all. You poor people still believe your ticket will come due someday and it’s all gold toilets from there.
You immediately changed the core of the discussion to fit your view not to actually discuss the matters at hand.
“Unskilled labour” = job you can be trained in, in under two months
“skilled labour” = decades of education and experience requiring acute professionalism in order to not kill people
No one said the barista can’t have a house, I specifically said, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, “you expect a barista to be paid as much as a surgeon or nurse”.
No. Because you do not deserve the pay of a surgeon or nurse and you do not have the expenses of a surgeon or nurse.
FYI medical school is extremely expensive, and so is post secondary education in any form. I say this because your clear illustration of ineptitude leads me to believe you have very little formal education, if any.
Yeah, your argument is bad. I think the number of people who legitimately think, “a barista should be paid the same as a surgeon!” are in an extreme minority. What’s not in the minority, however, are the number of people who attempt to justify poverty wages for people working jobs that don’t require as much training. The person you responded to was justified in calling your argument a leap because it is
It’s a leap for anyone who has poor reading comprehension and refuses to engage in the topic and would rather push a view.
So sad that this perfectly describes what you are doing.
You don’t understand the argument then.
No one saying unskilled labor is really skilled labored because it hurts the unskilled persons feelings. They are saying by calling something unskilled it is justification for them not making a living wage.
No where in the OP did they say all laborers should be paid the same.
Every time that meme is presented (or any form of 'unskilled labour isn’t real opinions) there’s a foray of incompetent tools pushing the belief that communism or some form of ‘geared wages’ is going to fix the problem with monopolies and greedy billionaires.
I, and most other comments here, are presenting a reality that ‘unskilled labour’ is real, and no one is trying to justify poverty wages, we’re justifying a reality that education does in fact make a difference for monetary gain
Then answer my question you tool.