Footage showing the moment Hala Khreis was killed as she tried to leave Gaza City went viral earlier this month. It’s one of a growing number of videos that show unarmed civilians holding white flags being shot dead.
Everybody can do something by boycotting companies who are supporting the Israeli occupation. Any economic impact, no matter how small, adds up over time. Whatever you can do to negatively impact Israel’s economic viability is worth your time.
Some boycotted products have plummeted in price here, and alternatives have taken their place on the shelves. Some stores and people did use this to buy them in bulk, but if this boycott isn’t forgotten like the past ones, then supporting Israel may become a taboo. We may also get more statements like the McDonald’s CEO statement clarifying that the middle east franchise is separate from the US one. And maybe more pathetic sights like this one:
Many McDonald’s operators in the region quickly distanced themselves from the Israeli operator’s actions. Franchise groups in Kuwait, Pakistan and other countries issued statements saying they did not share ownership with the Israeli franchise, and some of those franchises noted they have made financial donations to aid those in Gaza.
That’s why BDS focuses on only a small group of companies to boycott, like HP and Puma, or the very distastefully-named Hummus “Sabra” (I don’t think it was related to Sabra and Shatila but it looks really crap if you name your colonial Hummus that you stole from the local population to start with after one do the worst massacres against Palestinians.)
McDonalds has a lot of franchising going on but their parent company still remains the same. They all pay royalties for the brand name. Boycott McDonalds even in other countries.
That’s one reason for my support of the boycott. Additionally, getting accused of supporting Israel should feel like the crime it is. Even firms just relating to you or using your brand should feel the weight of their crime.
People should be seeking local alternatives to the products they use even if this whole massacre wasn’t going on; We have a hell of a lot more control over local companies than we have over some company in the US or Germany.
^ and this person openly supports the continuation of the in-group vs. out-group apartheid ideology that is being used to justify the mass murder and forced relocation of civillians in the name of Israeli lebensraum.
Probably shouldn’t be throwing stones from your glass house there sweetheart 😘
Of course there were PalestinianJews in Palestine. I think the Ottoman Empire had estimated that 5% of the population were Palestinian Jews. And they too were not too happy when the colonial Zionist invaders started butchering those they love.
I’m not surprised. Israel erased the name of my hometown, erased the entire history of my whole family there, and gave it a new name. Now it’s a settlement after the entire town was depopulated under military threat and everyone joined the Nakba. That was also a small historical site with a Roman Mausoleum that the people in the area had turned into a mosque. The way they stole the name was quite pathetic too:
Sure, all of these comments are a fantastic example of the “other-ing” of Palestinians, while reinforcing and white-washing Zionist ideology.
You reference the birthrate of Palestinians followed by the subtle inclusion of the pronoun “them” or “these people” to indicate exclusion, isolation, and a removal of identity.
In that same comment you imply that it is unjust or unethical for Palestinians to fight for their own culture or statehood while tacitly ignoring the fact that the post-WWII Zionist movement regularly used terrorism which they justified via ethno-supremacist ideology and a perceived divine right in order to claim land that was already occupied. This is so laughably hypocritical that no good faith actor would make such a fallacious argument.
You argue that it is reasonable for Israel to use whatever cruelties they deem necessary in order to maintain the sanctity and security of their ethno-supremacist state. This includes indefinite detention and support of a crypto-fascist strongman leader. The reasoning you provide is “well other countries do it to”. Yes, the most famous of which was Nazi Germany. It is not a mistake or merely a coincidence that Israel employs many of the same tactics that were used by Nazi Germany as there is a strong historical link between modern day Likud and Lehi who repeatedly sought to form an alliance with the Third Reich.
This same link between Lehi’s support for National Socialist ideology and Lehi’s influence on modern day Likud also provides historical context surrounding the justification for and continued expansion of settlements for Israeli Lebensraum.
Curiously you do not see the hypocrisy with supporting any and all Israeli “security measures” when that was precisely the justification that the Third Reich gave for preserving the pure Aryan heritage of their own ethno-supremacist state after the crippling sanctions that were imposed upon the Weimar Republic after WWI.
You paint Hamas as common thieves for having the audacity to sell HEBREW ARTIFACTS as though they have no right to even touch such holy relics from a superior culture. I’m taking some liberty here because while you did not say that directly, I am comfortable asserting that you certainly implied it along the way.
You also fail to mention that Israel has repeatedly destroyed cultural heritage sites, and continuously attempts to rewrite history by dead-naming anything that does not fit with the perception of an exclusively Jewish historicity in the region.
Beyond all this though, I find you to be ethically bankrupt, bigoted, hypocritical, and proud of supporting the same kind of behavior that you would find abhorrent if it were being done to you. Anybody who supports the mass killing of civilians over religious, ethnic, or socioeconomic differences I consider to be sociopathic and evil. It doesn’t matter what the historical context is, that behavior is unacceptable. I don’t give a fuck what Abrahamic religion they subscribe to, or which god they think gave them the go ahead. It is wrong, it will always be wrong, and continuing with more wrongs only leads to even more evil. So for those reasons I find your positions to be morally repugnant, and worthy of scorn.
No, feel free to correct me when I’m wrong. That’s how I learn. Just make sure to do it with the most esoteric vocabulary you can think of, because I like to look terms up. Lol
You reference the birthrate of Palestinians followed by the subtle inclusion of the pronoun “them” or “these people” to indicate exclusion, isolation, and a removal of identity.
I used these pronouns in order to prevent the repetition of words. Seriously, you are grasping at straws.
you imply
No, you read into it what you want to read into it in order to achieve maximum personal outrage.
You argue that it is reasonable
No, I describe the status quo and what is happening and why it is likely to continue. At no point am I supporting injustices like indefinite detention and if you go back in my comment history, you will find examples of me explicitly condemning these practices. In one of the comments you made a screenshot of I call these measures cruel. Does this look like me calling those things reasonable?
I don’t even know what to say to your pseudo-intellectual attempt to somehow link what I wrote to a Jewish terrorist group and their relationship with Nazis. I mean, feel free to write an essay on this elsewhere, but I fail to see any connection with the topic at hand.
You paint Hamas as common thieves for having the audacity to sell HEBREW ARTIFACTS as though they have no right to even touch such holy relics from a superior culture.
Again, you are remarkably creative in your liberal interpretations of what I wrote. I mentioned Hebrew artifacts to illustrate the absurdity of Palestinians claiming that they are the indigenous people of the land and as to Hamas selling them, 1) I wonder if some of them realize that what they are doing does nothing but undermine their positions and 2) no matter if it’s Hebrew, Roman or Martian, it’s still disturbing historic sites, preventing us from learning more about our shared past as a species. To quote that famous archaeologist with the whip, dashing hat and a talent for beating up Nazis: “It belongs in a museum!”
You also fail to mention that Israel has repeatedly destroyed cultural heritage sites
I’m not in the both-sideism business. I’ve got a hunch that you aren’t either, except when you think it suits you.
continuously attempts to rewrite history by dead-naming
You are not grasping at straws with me, but also with entire countries. When nation states assume control of an area, they tend to give places names that the predominate group in that state can pronounce and write down. Jenin for example was originally called Gina, then Ein-Ganim and Beth-Hagan before getting its current name, based on the original Canaanite name, as the result of Arab conquest. Are you just as angry with all of these past people for renaming places as well?
Beyond all this though, I find you to be ethically bankrupt, bigoted, hypocritical
And I only need one word to describe you: Hysterical.
I can only advice to look out of the window for a second, maybe go for a walk, look at some trees swaying in the wind, listen to the birds sing and then evaluate how you are conducting yourself, how you are treating your fellow human beings, how you are accusing others you know nothing about in the most vile ways. Do you see a person frowning in public and immediately think that this person must be the worst human being in the world? That’s what you are doing here. It’s kind of sad to see someone who has such a good grasp of the English language waste it on going on a wild diatribe based on the worst interpretations of what others are writing, compelled by an almost religious desire to communicate to the world just how morally upstanding they are. I only wish that you become a better person and grow out of this eventually. Oh, and consider asking people about what they are actually thinking before assuming the role of a moral judge, jury and executioner based on nothing but your vivid imagination.
It’s kind of sad to see someone who has such a good grasp of the English language waste it on going on a wild diatribe
I appreciate that, thank you. You’re quite the wordsmith in your own right. With that being said, I still don’t like you.
I only wish that you become a better person and grow out of this eventually.
Ditto. It would seem there are two points on which we can agree.
I won’t belabor this conversation anymore. I said my piece, and you said yours. Therefore we are at an impasse. I don’t hate you, but I don’t respect you either. My guess is you probably feel the same. If we each consider the other to be a fool’s messenger then at least we have parted on common ground.
I was surprised since BDS focuses on economic boycotts and not armed resistance.
Seems like some angry Zionist hacker didn’t like that and wanted to make them look bad because there is nothing illegal or wrong or immoral about what they say or do rofl
Blaming this on an “angry Zionist hacker” is at best conspiratorial thinking. BDS deleted these remarks after being called out for them and then prevented the Wayback Machine from storing captures of this particular URL:
They backdated this more palatable blog entry to October 8 and deleted the original - and then they went on to remove the evidence, but not before people noticed and took screenshots. Here’s another screenshot:
The only people who can prevent the storing of captures of their sites on the Wayback Machine are site owners themselves. Explain to me why they would want exclude this particular capture? If it was “evil Zionist hackers”, wouldn’t they want to preserve the evidence and specifically mention this particular manipulation? Why would hackers alter the URL, which destroys links from other sites and social media? Wouldn’t “Zionist hackers” want other sites to lead to the damaging statement? None of this makes any sense.
The URLs are different, the old URL (the first one) now redirects to the new, backdated blog post.
That one isn’t that much better either, by the way. “[P]owerful armed reaction of the oppressed Palestinians” is most definitely positive wording - and it makes it sound like Hamas are part of this group of oppressed Palestinians, even though lots of pro-Palestine people like to separate the two. Not BDS though - for them, Hamas and all other Palestinians are apparently one and the same.
The only people who can prevent the storing of captures of their sites on the Wayback Machine are site owners themselves. Explain to me why they would want exclude this particular capture?
That doesn’t seem to be evidence either way really. They might exclude it because they’re covering something up that they said, or because it was not written by them and misrepresents their movement.
It doesn’t misrepresent their movement. They have always had close ties to terrorist groups, have a long history of releasing antisemitic statements and the entire idea behind it is nothing but a rehash of this, just under the guise of anti-Zionism:
There’s a reason the German parliament voted to designate BDS as an antisemitic hate group in 2019. We have learned a thing or two about how to identify these sorts of things.
Abiding by a set of ethics dictates doing your part even when the power of that individual action may be small. Collective actions on ethical principals is what changes the world, but doing so requires persistence in the face of overwhelming adversity.
It absolutely has, there’s a lot of products they simply can’t manufacture, because they require precision components made in Europe. They can’t get their hands on bearings, for example, because the biggest supplier is Germany. (SKF)
It’s also had a huge effect on the wider economy, which means there’s less surplus to throw on the giant bonfire that is war.
Everybody can do something by boycotting companies who are supporting the Israeli occupation. Any economic impact, no matter how small, adds up over time. Whatever you can do to negatively impact Israel’s economic viability is worth your time.
https://bdsmovement.net/
BDSMovement 🤨
Boycott me daddy 😩
Some boycotted products have plummeted in price here, and alternatives have taken their place on the shelves. Some stores and people did use this to buy them in bulk, but if this boycott isn’t forgotten like the past ones, then supporting Israel may become a taboo. We may also get more statements like the McDonald’s CEO statement clarifying that the middle east franchise is separate from the US one. And maybe more pathetic sights like this one:
That’s why BDS focuses on only a small group of companies to boycott, like HP and Puma, or the very distastefully-named Hummus “Sabra” (I don’t think it was related to Sabra and Shatila but it looks really crap if you name your colonial Hummus that you stole from the local population to start with after one do the worst massacres against Palestinians.)
هدأ أعصابك يا صديقي :)
I thought Sabra was a nickname for an Israeli person?
Yeah it probably is.
McDonalds has a lot of franchising going on but their parent company still remains the same. They all pay royalties for the brand name. Boycott McDonalds even in other countries.
That’s one reason for my support of the boycott. Additionally, getting accused of supporting Israel should feel like the crime it is. Even firms just relating to you or using your brand should feel the weight of their crime.
People should be seeking local alternatives to the products they use even if this whole massacre wasn’t going on; We have a hell of a lot more control over local companies than we have over some company in the US or Germany.
that movement has a very unfortunate name
Why? Seems like the most fun kind of ovement to me…
This group openly supports violence against civilians:
https://i.imgur.com/R3fh6Xm.png
^ and this person openly supports the continuation of the in-group vs. out-group apartheid ideology that is being used to justify the mass murder and forced relocation of civillians in the name of Israeli lebensraum.
Probably shouldn’t be throwing stones from your glass house there sweetheart 😘
Wow, how unpleasant!
Of course there were PalestinianJews in Palestine. I think the Ottoman Empire had estimated that 5% of the population were Palestinian Jews. And they too were not too happy when the colonial Zionist invaders started butchering those they love.
I’m not sure about that stuff with Hamas destroying ancient artifacts when building tunnels, but we know for a fact that Israel deliberately destroyed heritage sites in Gaza.
I’m not surprised. Israel erased the name of my hometown, erased the entire history of my whole family there, and gave it a new name. Now it’s a settlement after the entire town was depopulated under military threat and everyone joined the Nakba. That was also a small historical site with a Roman Mausoleum that the people in the area had turned into a mosque. The way they stole the name was quite pathetic too:
Explain to me which of these comments you so generously provided screenshots of is evidence of my support for any of these things?
Sure, all of these comments are a fantastic example of the “other-ing” of Palestinians, while reinforcing and white-washing Zionist ideology.
You reference the birthrate of Palestinians followed by the subtle inclusion of the pronoun “them” or “these people” to indicate exclusion, isolation, and a removal of identity.
In that same comment you imply that it is unjust or unethical for Palestinians to fight for their own culture or statehood while tacitly ignoring the fact that the post-WWII Zionist movement regularly used terrorism which they justified via ethno-supremacist ideology and a perceived divine right in order to claim land that was already occupied. This is so laughably hypocritical that no good faith actor would make such a fallacious argument.
You argue that it is reasonable for Israel to use whatever cruelties they deem necessary in order to maintain the sanctity and security of their ethno-supremacist state. This includes indefinite detention and support of a crypto-fascist strongman leader. The reasoning you provide is “well other countries do it to”. Yes, the most famous of which was Nazi Germany. It is not a mistake or merely a coincidence that Israel employs many of the same tactics that were used by Nazi Germany as there is a strong historical link between modern day Likud and Lehi who repeatedly sought to form an alliance with the Third Reich.
This same link between Lehi’s support for National Socialist ideology and Lehi’s influence on modern day Likud also provides historical context surrounding the justification for and continued expansion of settlements for Israeli Lebensraum.
Curiously you do not see the hypocrisy with supporting any and all Israeli “security measures” when that was precisely the justification that the Third Reich gave for preserving the pure Aryan heritage of their own ethno-supremacist state after the crippling sanctions that were imposed upon the Weimar Republic after WWI.
You paint Hamas as common thieves for having the audacity to sell HEBREW ARTIFACTS as though they have no right to even touch such holy relics from a superior culture. I’m taking some liberty here because while you did not say that directly, I am comfortable asserting that you certainly implied it along the way.
You also fail to mention that Israel has repeatedly destroyed cultural heritage sites, and continuously attempts to rewrite history by dead-naming anything that does not fit with the perception of an exclusively Jewish historicity in the region.
Beyond all this though, I find you to be ethically bankrupt, bigoted, hypocritical, and proud of supporting the same kind of behavior that you would find abhorrent if it were being done to you. Anybody who supports the mass killing of civilians over religious, ethnic, or socioeconomic differences I consider to be sociopathic and evil. It doesn’t matter what the historical context is, that behavior is unacceptable. I don’t give a fuck what Abrahamic religion they subscribe to, or which god they think gave them the go ahead. It is wrong, it will always be wrong, and continuing with more wrongs only leads to even more evil. So for those reasons I find your positions to be morally repugnant, and worthy of scorn.
Remind me to never piss you off. Lol
To be fair that person did actually invite me to critique them. I wouldn’t have invested that much energy into responding otherwise.
Nevertheless, I don’t envision getting in any disputes with you where you literally ask me to publicly dress you down. So I think you’re safe 😅
No, feel free to correct me when I’m wrong. That’s how I learn. Just make sure to do it with the most esoteric vocabulary you can think of, because I like to look terms up. Lol
I used these pronouns in order to prevent the repetition of words. Seriously, you are grasping at straws.
No, you read into it what you want to read into it in order to achieve maximum personal outrage.
No, I describe the status quo and what is happening and why it is likely to continue. At no point am I supporting injustices like indefinite detention and if you go back in my comment history, you will find examples of me explicitly condemning these practices. In one of the comments you made a screenshot of I call these measures cruel. Does this look like me calling those things reasonable?
I don’t even know what to say to your pseudo-intellectual attempt to somehow link what I wrote to a Jewish terrorist group and their relationship with Nazis. I mean, feel free to write an essay on this elsewhere, but I fail to see any connection with the topic at hand.
Again, you are remarkably creative in your liberal interpretations of what I wrote. I mentioned Hebrew artifacts to illustrate the absurdity of Palestinians claiming that they are the indigenous people of the land and as to Hamas selling them, 1) I wonder if some of them realize that what they are doing does nothing but undermine their positions and 2) no matter if it’s Hebrew, Roman or Martian, it’s still disturbing historic sites, preventing us from learning more about our shared past as a species. To quote that famous archaeologist with the whip, dashing hat and a talent for beating up Nazis: “It belongs in a museum!”
I’m not in the both-sideism business. I’ve got a hunch that you aren’t either, except when you think it suits you.
You are not grasping at straws with me, but also with entire countries. When nation states assume control of an area, they tend to give places names that the predominate group in that state can pronounce and write down. Jenin for example was originally called Gina, then Ein-Ganim and Beth-Hagan before getting its current name, based on the original Canaanite name, as the result of Arab conquest. Are you just as angry with all of these past people for renaming places as well?
And I only need one word to describe you: Hysterical.
I can only advice to look out of the window for a second, maybe go for a walk, look at some trees swaying in the wind, listen to the birds sing and then evaluate how you are conducting yourself, how you are treating your fellow human beings, how you are accusing others you know nothing about in the most vile ways. Do you see a person frowning in public and immediately think that this person must be the worst human being in the world? That’s what you are doing here. It’s kind of sad to see someone who has such a good grasp of the English language waste it on going on a wild diatribe based on the worst interpretations of what others are writing, compelled by an almost religious desire to communicate to the world just how morally upstanding they are. I only wish that you become a better person and grow out of this eventually. Oh, and consider asking people about what they are actually thinking before assuming the role of a moral judge, jury and executioner based on nothing but your vivid imagination.
I appreciate that, thank you. You’re quite the wordsmith in your own right. With that being said, I still don’t like you.
Ditto. It would seem there are two points on which we can agree.
I won’t belabor this conversation anymore. I said my piece, and you said yours. Therefore we are at an impasse. I don’t hate you, but I don’t respect you either. My guess is you probably feel the same. If we each consider the other to be a fool’s messenger then at least we have parted on common ground.
Turns out they got hacked? I tried to go to the same link you posted: https://bdsmovement.net/news/urgent-action-alert-for-meaningful-support-for-palestinians
I was surprised since BDS focuses on economic boycotts and not armed resistance.
Seems like some angry Zionist hacker didn’t like that and wanted to make them look bad because there is nothing illegal or wrong or immoral about what they say or do rofl
Your link is different.
Blaming this on an “angry Zionist hacker” is at best conspiratorial thinking. BDS deleted these remarks after being called out for them and then prevented the Wayback Machine from storing captures of this particular URL:
https://web.archive.org/web/20231008000000*/bdsmovement.net/news/urgent-action-alert-for-meaningful-support-palestinian-armed-resistance
Notice how other captures are not excluded:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/bdsmovement.net/
There is no capture of your altered link from before October 12 (and this site gets crawled almost every day):
https://web.archive.org/web/20231012225948/https://bdsmovement.net/news/urgent-action-alert-for-meaningful-support-for-palestinians
They backdated this more palatable blog entry to October 8 and deleted the original - and then they went on to remove the evidence, but not before people noticed and took screenshots. Here’s another screenshot:
https://i.imgur.com/t5EVRHB.png
The only people who can prevent the storing of captures of their sites on the Wayback Machine are site owners themselves. Explain to me why they would want exclude this particular capture? If it was “evil Zionist hackers”, wouldn’t they want to preserve the evidence and specifically mention this particular manipulation? Why would hackers alter the URL, which destroys links from other sites and social media? Wouldn’t “Zionist hackers” want other sites to lead to the damaging statement? None of this makes any sense.
The link is not different. It’s exactly the one you pasted into the wayback machine.
I respect your scepticism but it seems like it was a hacking after all.
They are different:
https://bdsmovement.net/news/urgent-action-alert-for-meaningful-support-palestinian-armed-resistance
https://bdsmovement.net/news/urgent-action-alert-for-meaningful-support-for-palestinians
The first link directs to the second one. Is that the problem you were trying to explain, or what exactly?
The URLs are different, the old URL (the first one) now redirects to the new, backdated blog post.
That one isn’t that much better either, by the way. “[P]owerful armed reaction of the oppressed Palestinians” is most definitely positive wording - and it makes it sound like Hamas are part of this group of oppressed Palestinians, even though lots of pro-Palestine people like to separate the two. Not BDS though - for them, Hamas and all other Palestinians are apparently one and the same.
That doesn’t seem to be evidence either way really. They might exclude it because they’re covering something up that they said, or because it was not written by them and misrepresents their movement.
It doesn’t misrepresent their movement. They have always had close ties to terrorist groups, have a long history of releasing antisemitic statements and the entire idea behind it is nothing but a rehash of this, just under the guise of anti-Zionism:
https://i.imgur.com/q4P2qY2.jpg
There’s a reason the German parliament voted to designate BDS as an antisemitic hate group in 2019. We have learned a thing or two about how to identify these sorts of things.
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Excellent resource - thank you!
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I mean you could check the site. They have some victories under their belt.
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Well, whole countries were boycotting Russia, not sure individuals can really do much.
Abiding by a set of ethics dictates doing your part even when the power of that individual action may be small. Collective actions on ethical principals is what changes the world, but doing so requires persistence in the face of overwhelming adversity.
And boycotting Russia hasn’t really stopped their aggressions
But it did hurt their wallet, though.
Bullets or food, bullets or food, what should I buy today? - Putin
It absolutely has, there’s a lot of products they simply can’t manufacture, because they require precision components made in Europe. They can’t get their hands on bearings, for example, because the biggest supplier is Germany. (SKF)
It’s also had a huge effect on the wider economy, which means there’s less surplus to throw on the giant bonfire that is war.
Which ones? The EU and the USA do not fully boycott Russia, yet. Just many selected items. More items are being added every few months.