• @throwwyacc
    link
    15 months ago

    I suggest Israel root out Hamas. Then hold elections to create a Palestinian government that’s willing to negotiate with Israel for their own state

    The iron dome also isn’t perfect and doesn’t change the intent. If I make my house bullet proof and you shoot it every day in the hopes of killing me at some point I have the right to get rid of you by some method surely?

    • المنطقة عكف عفريتOP
      link
      fedilink
      35 months ago

      To do “self defence”, all Israel had to do was guard its borders and have some diplomatic solution that didn’t completely dehumanize Palestinians, maybe policies that listen to expert opinions on these subjects and how this is causing extremism to double. They didn’t need to invade “in self defence”.

      If I make my house bullet proof and you shoot it every day in the hopes of killing me at some point I have the right to get rid of you by some method surely?

      Funny how that works both ways.

      • @throwwyacc
        link
        14 months ago

        Alright so from your perspective it seems you expect Israel to do all the heavy lifting here. Just ignore the attacks and hope Hamas is willing to negotiate one day? Even though they make it clear they want to remove Israel

        What should the Palestinians/Hamas be doing? Continuing with their current course of action until Israel decides to do something different?

        • المنطقة عكف عفريتOP
          link
          fedilink
          34 months ago

          Giving people rights and ending apartheid and reducing extremism is heavy lifting? As opposed to now???

          But yes I expect the supremacist colonial landgrabbers to do the heavy lifting.

          • @throwwyacc
            link
            14 months ago

            So what exactly does that entail? Remove all troops, accept continued missile attacks and pray that Hamas eventually gets sick of it and negotiates?

            I don’t think you’re really considering the actions and goals of Hamas here. Is anything they do justified as long as they don’t have their own state away from Israel?

            • المنطقة عكف عفريتOP
              link
              fedilink
              14 months ago

              And surprlse surprise how you spin the discussion in the last question towards wanting to make me look like someone who justifies kidnapping and murder

              • @throwwyacc
                link
                14 months ago

                I’m not spinning anything. I want to know why you expect Israel to do all the work towards peace?

                Do you expect Hamas to change nothing? Because I can’t imagine telling Israel “hey we know these guys are firing missile after missile at you but can you please stop fighting back and let them continue”

                Realistically the first move towards peace without continued conflict has to come from Hamas. Or Israel need to have removed Hamas completely, pick one

                • المنطقة عكف عفريتOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  1
                  edit-2
                  4 months ago

                  I’m not spinning anything. I want to know why you expect Israel to do all the work towards peace?

                  Please. Don’t shit me.

                  Your last question:

                  I don’t think you’re really considering the actions and goals of Hamas here. Is anything they do justified as long as they don’t have their own state away from Israel?


                  What a nice false dichotomy, though!

                  In any case, how sad them for Israel that it has successfully created the Hamas of today and tomorrow, and for years to come because of its violent approach.

                  • @throwwyacc
                    link
                    14 months ago

                    Based on this I’ll just assume you have nothing further to say At this point you aren’t really engaging and I think it’s fairly clear why

                    Anyway have a good one mate. Hopefully this conflict comes to and end sooner than later