Well, I think comparing toddler accidents on a farm to century long systemic hiring of underage workers is bad faith but I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. Still not entirely sure what I said that made you mad, concern for worker safety feels pretty universal. But it doesn’t seem you want to actually talk about the issue. So whatever. You have a good one.
There’s no point in conversing with these people, they accuse you of bad faith arguments from WORKING in the industry and rebute with arguments from VISITING the industry.
I don’t read usernames and didn’t read yours until you mentioned it, and before that I knew you were vegan because you were using strawman in conjunction with a false dilemma and faulty generalization fallacies in order to push a ‘meat bad’ argument.
The most common argumentative fallacies used by vegans, peta, and trolls.
Underage workers dying is a… false dilemma? How is that possibly something not worth addressing?
I feel like some of you are having an emotional response from even the mildest of critism at the industry that you have to deny there is even a problem with dead children that shouldn’t have been hired in the first place. Which if you go reread my original comment, is what I originally pointed out. You are so defensive of the product that you are mad at me for even acknowledging this long standing issue.
As I said before, I’m fresh off reading The Jungle. My intent was to talk about worker rights instead of animal rights. So it seems right to leave this all with exactly that.
Jurgis recollected how, when he had first come to Packingtown, he had stood and watched the hog-killing, and thought how cruel and savage it was, and come away congratulating himself that he was not a hog; now his new acquaintance showed him that a hog was just what he had been-one of the packers’ hogs. What they wanted from a hog was all the profits that could be got out of him; and that was what they wanted from the workingman, and also that was what they wanted from the public. What the hog thought of it, and what he suffered, were not considered; and no more was it with labor, and no more with the purchaser of meat. That was true everywhere in the world, but it was especially true in Packingtown; there seemed to be something about the work of slaughtering that tended to ruthlessness and ferocity-it was literally the fact that in the methods of the packers a hundred human lives did not balance a penny of profit.
Blaming the meat industry for underage workers dying is a false equivalency and false dilemma. You are a fool* to equivocate these issues.
Meat isn’t the problem, incompetent politicians and garbage employers are the problem but you’re pretending the meat industry is the only industry engaging in child labour practices.
I bet you eat chocolate as well, and spoiler alert, child labour AND slave labour is involved in ALL chocolate acquisition, not to mention avocado and large scale vegetable farming uses child labour daily, but I don’t hear you bitching about that, I hear you blaming “meat” and attempting to guilt anyone who consumes meat into believing they inherently support child labour when they buy it.
Meanwhile you’re using an apple or android phone or a computer of any kind to communicate, meaning you have supported child and slave labour which acquired the raw materials to create the device you are using to bitch about this topic and misdirect people into believing your extremely perverted view of the world.
The sheer incompetence of your presentation here is dripping in irony and is denoting an unparalleled lack of education or an unbelievable level of intellectual dishonesty.
Edit: *removed an overly aggressive insult to prevent mods from being salty.
Edit: You added more. Look, we can do whataboutism for Chocolate and Tech, but that doesn’t change anything for this issue.
child labour AND slave labour is involved in ALL chocolate acquisition, not to mention avocado and large scale vegetable farming uses child labour daily, but I don’t hear you bitching about that
And it’s clear you haven’t actually read the paper you’re linking given that in that very investigation overview they describe the employers as the issue and not the industry as a whole.
Also, I like how you’ve just ignored all my notes about your own use of slave labour and child labour in your food and the device your using to continue bitching about the problem as well as misrepresenting the issues noted in the very paper you linked.
I’m going to chalk this up to incompetence and block you, but yes “well played” you “definitely got me”.
By the way, since it’s clear you did not read the paper:
“The safety of young workers and significant reductions in child labor violations are top priorities for the U.S. Department of Labor,” said Principal Deputy Wage and Hour Division Administrator Jessica Looman. “Employers who choose to hire young workers have a legal responsibility to know and abide by the federal laws that govern their employment. These obligations include eliminating all exposures to hazardous occupations and prohibited equipment, and preventing young workers from suffering serious injuries or worse.”
In case you can’t understand what is being said in the paper, the TL:DR is “Bad employers paying off corrupt politicians to weaken employment restrictions for young workers and the same bad employers ignoring or reducing safety training and safety equipment”.
Contrary to you, I actually do investigate the supply lines and employment conditions of just about everything I use and consume, I can’t change anything about it because it needs to be a group vote to make change, but I at least educate myself on these things.
The core edit occurred less than 45 seconds after the post and the second edit fixed grammar and punctuation about a minute later.
I’m quoting what I see at the time because I guess it might change? I didn’t see any of your new section tripling the length of your comment once I hit reply. You know damn well the majority of that came later. Talk about bad faith and intellectual dishonesty.
Look, being insulted isn’t what I want to do with my morning. This whole interaction is just a convulated flame war mess and I’m not interested in devoting more time to it. Especially since I guess you are gonna block me, so whatever.
The only reason you know I’m vegan is from my username, but why would that fact somehow disqualify me from caring about workers being injured?
Idk. Sorta seems like you just wanna insult me but not actually contribute anything meaningful.
Oh trust me. I didn’t even see your username. I knew you were vegan because of your insufferable bad faith comment.
Well, I think comparing toddler accidents on a farm to century long systemic hiring of underage workers is bad faith but I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. Still not entirely sure what I said that made you mad, concern for worker safety feels pretty universal. But it doesn’t seem you want to actually talk about the issue. So whatever. You have a good one.
There’s no point in conversing with these people, they accuse you of bad faith arguments from WORKING in the industry and rebute with arguments from VISITING the industry.
Smooth brains be smoothing
I honestly don’t care what you think.
I don’t read usernames and didn’t read yours until you mentioned it, and before that I knew you were vegan because you were using strawman in conjunction with a false dilemma and faulty generalization fallacies in order to push a ‘meat bad’ argument.
The most common argumentative fallacies used by vegans, peta, and trolls.
Underage workers dying is a… false dilemma? How is that possibly something not worth addressing?
I feel like some of you are having an emotional response from even the mildest of critism at the industry that you have to deny there is even a problem with dead children that shouldn’t have been hired in the first place. Which if you go reread my original comment, is what I originally pointed out. You are so defensive of the product that you are mad at me for even acknowledging this long standing issue.
As I said before, I’m fresh off reading The Jungle. My intent was to talk about worker rights instead of animal rights. So it seems right to leave this all with exactly that.
Published over a century ago and still relevant.
Blaming the meat industry for underage workers dying is a false equivalency and false dilemma. You are a fool* to equivocate these issues.
Meat isn’t the problem, incompetent politicians and garbage employers are the problem but you’re pretending the meat industry is the only industry engaging in child labour practices.
I bet you eat chocolate as well, and spoiler alert, child labour AND slave labour is involved in ALL chocolate acquisition, not to mention avocado and large scale vegetable farming uses child labour daily, but I don’t hear you bitching about that, I hear you blaming “meat” and attempting to guilt anyone who consumes meat into believing they inherently support child labour when they buy it.
Meanwhile you’re using an apple or android phone or a computer of any kind to communicate, meaning you have supported child and slave labour which acquired the raw materials to create the device you are using to bitch about this topic and misdirect people into believing your extremely perverted view of the world.
The sheer incompetence of your presentation here is dripping in irony and is denoting an unparalleled lack of education or an unbelievable level of intellectual dishonesty.
Edit: *removed an overly aggressive insult to prevent mods from being salty.
I’m honestly amazed you can say that in this exact thread. There is a well known link between exactly those two according to the DOL. But whatever. It’s easy to just ignore it and insult me instead.
Edit: You added more. Look, we can do whataboutism for Chocolate and Tech, but that doesn’t change anything for this issue.
The thread is literally about the meat industry.
And it’s clear you haven’t actually read the paper you’re linking given that in that very investigation overview they describe the employers as the issue and not the industry as a whole.
Also, I like how you’ve just ignored all my notes about your own use of slave labour and child labour in your food and the device your using to continue bitching about the problem as well as misrepresenting the issues noted in the very paper you linked.
I’m going to chalk this up to incompetence and block you, but yes “well played” you “definitely got me”.
By the way, since it’s clear you did not read the paper:
In case you can’t understand what is being said in the paper, the TL:DR is “Bad employers paying off corrupt politicians to weaken employment restrictions for young workers and the same bad employers ignoring or reducing safety training and safety equipment”.
Contrary to you, I actually do investigate the supply lines and employment conditions of just about everything I use and consume, I can’t change anything about it because it needs to be a group vote to make change, but I at least educate myself on these things.
Again, unlike you.
Oh wtf? You keep editing in more! That whole section wasn’t there when I read your comment. I’m just trying to keep up.
The core edit occurred less than 45 seconds after the post and the second edit fixed grammar and punctuation about a minute later.
I’m quoting what I see at the time because I guess it might change? I didn’t see any of your new section tripling the length of your comment once I hit reply. You know damn well the majority of that came later. Talk about bad faith and intellectual dishonesty.
Look, being insulted isn’t what I want to do with my morning. This whole interaction is just a convulated flame war mess and I’m not interested in devoting more time to it. Especially since I guess you are gonna block me, so whatever.
You have a good one.