All true but I don’t agree that this meant there wasn’t a primary. They just conspired to win the primary.
Also, don’t presume to know the future. Maybe the revolution will start in South Carolina. State politics don’t change overnight but they are also not as static as we often assume.
Well I think this is not a black and white issue. In Russia, Sanders would be arrested or killed. Here the oligarchs don’t have complete power, and if we assume they do, we cede them more power. Sanders could have won the primary—it was not a foregone conclusion. And I think your assumption that South Carolina is only party loyalists is mistaken. If the left wing speaks to those voters directly, they can be persuaded.
Let’s also not ignore the fact that the DNC runs the primaries, and the eventually nominee is purely their decision. Effectively, the actual primaries are more for them to gauge the popularity of various candidates.
Let’s also not pretend that they were ever going to let Sanders be their nominee… someone who’s not even a party member.
It would be more surprising if he’d won the primary process and the DNC actually backed him than the alternative of them simply saying no, he’s not a party member, we’ll choose the highest finishing actual Democrat instead.
What’s the deal with people on Lemmy always trying to get people to “admit” shit? If you want to engage in conversation just do so. There’s no need to try to paint another conversation participant as an opponent and corner them into anything, just say what you have to say. I’m not trying to attack or defend primaries, just making an observation, so there’s nothing to “admit”, so you can knock off with that angle.
Further, the primaries, despite what you may think, are not a part of the national democratic election process. They are a function of the parties themselves, a way for them to gauge their members and choose a nominee.
If a party wanted to, there’s no reason they couldn’t cancel their primary entirely and simply have party leadership meet and choose a nominee, end of story. That doesn’t make the American process any more or less of a democracy. It may make that party’s process of choosing a nominee more or less democratic, but each party is and should remain within their rights to choose their own nominee in whatever way they see fit.
I’m not aligned with or registered to any political party, and in my state, that means I’m completely barred from voting in the primaries at all. In my city, one party has held the mayor’s office my entire life, so the primary for that party is effectively the race for that seat, and I don’t get to vote in it. I’m not upset about that. I can still vote in the actual race, and as a non-party-member, I agree with their leadership that I shouldn’t have a say in who they select as their nominee.
I’m not quite following, so the right side of the party consolidated because they didn’t want to split their vote, but wasn’t the left side already consolidated behind Bernie?
There are more conservative and moderate democratic voters in South Carolina than there are Bernie voters. They consolidated that wing by having everyone drop out which made Biden the sole remaining non-social democrat or democratic socialist option
How was there not a real primary?
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Rep. Jim Clyburn helped Biden win young Black voters in 2020. This time, they’re not listening.
Well, so much for that…
All true but I don’t agree that this meant there wasn’t a primary. They just conspired to win the primary.
Also, don’t presume to know the future. Maybe the revolution will start in South Carolina. State politics don’t change overnight but they are also not as static as we often assume.
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Well I think this is not a black and white issue. In Russia, Sanders would be arrested or killed. Here the oligarchs don’t have complete power, and if we assume they do, we cede them more power. Sanders could have won the primary—it was not a foregone conclusion. And I think your assumption that South Carolina is only party loyalists is mistaken. If the left wing speaks to those voters directly, they can be persuaded.
Let’s also not ignore the fact that the DNC runs the primaries, and the eventually nominee is purely their decision. Effectively, the actual primaries are more for them to gauge the popularity of various candidates.
Let’s also not pretend that they were ever going to let Sanders be their nominee… someone who’s not even a party member.
It would be more surprising if he’d won the primary process and the DNC actually backed him than the alternative of them simply saying no, he’s not a party member, we’ll choose the highest finishing actual Democrat instead.
…what William Greider said here, basically.
So you admit that the primaries are a facade and that we are not a democracy?
In which case, we should openly admit that and teach our children as such. Otherwise, China will do so for us on TikTok and elsewhere
What’s the deal with people on Lemmy always trying to get people to “admit” shit? If you want to engage in conversation just do so. There’s no need to try to paint another conversation participant as an opponent and corner them into anything, just say what you have to say. I’m not trying to attack or defend primaries, just making an observation, so there’s nothing to “admit”, so you can knock off with that angle.
Further, the primaries, despite what you may think, are not a part of the national democratic election process. They are a function of the parties themselves, a way for them to gauge their members and choose a nominee.
If a party wanted to, there’s no reason they couldn’t cancel their primary entirely and simply have party leadership meet and choose a nominee, end of story. That doesn’t make the American process any more or less of a democracy. It may make that party’s process of choosing a nominee more or less democratic, but each party is and should remain within their rights to choose their own nominee in whatever way they see fit.
I’m not aligned with or registered to any political party, and in my state, that means I’m completely barred from voting in the primaries at all. In my city, one party has held the mayor’s office my entire life, so the primary for that party is effectively the race for that seat, and I don’t get to vote in it. I’m not upset about that. I can still vote in the actual race, and as a non-party-member, I agree with their leadership that I shouldn’t have a say in who they select as their nominee.
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I’m not quite following, so the right side of the party consolidated because they didn’t want to split their vote, but wasn’t the left side already consolidated behind Bernie?
There are more conservative and moderate democratic voters in South Carolina than there are Bernie voters. They consolidated that wing by having everyone drop out which made Biden the sole remaining non-social democrat or democratic socialist option
So the idea is that if it weren’t for the momentum from that first state that Bernie would have won?
Good Lord the idea that you think mayor Pete is not a neoliberal. That’s so freaking hilarious.
They are calling him a neolib. They’re just calling him a non Warren neolib.
Which is accurate. Because all neolibs except for Warren are non-Warren neolibs.
The poster was saying that Pete is a neolib of the non-Warren variety. You misread their intent. They were criticizing Pete (and Klob)