Also German here. If you haven’t yet acknowledged that the Israeli right-wing has been openly racist and fascist for decades now, committing war crimes left and right in the West Bank and in its overall treatment of Gaza (even without direct settlement) you’re acknowledging less than the foreign service.
Gaza is not West bank! I did not claim that Netanyahu does not want to control parts of the west bank area.
Remember that what’s currently litigated before the ICJ is not “did Israel do bad stuff” but “Is Israel guilty of genocide, or merely extensive war crimes”.
And they are more qualified to decide that than you or me or all the others here who use buzzword like “holocaust”, “concentration camp”, “genocide”, … like it’s their default vocabulary to build sentences.
There’s going to be no security for Israelis without Palestinian freedom, and no Palestinian freedom without Israeli security
I agree with that part.
And in my opinion, for Plastinian freedom and a secure Israel, Hamas must lose power, Netanyahu must lose power and 2 new government need to negotiate a 2-states-solution.
Gaza is not West bank! I did not claim that Netanyahu does not want to control parts of the west bank area.
Kahanites want all of the territories. Netanyahu (not strictly a Kahanite) wants all of the territories. Different policies do not imply different goals and that’s even presupposing that it’s different policies: The West Bank is getting cut up into small enclaves surrounded by settler-controlled regions, if that goes on just a bit longer then there’s going to be a thousand individual Gazas there.
And they are more qualified to decide that than you or me or all the others here who use buzzword like “holocaust”, “concentration camp”, “genocide”, … like it’s their default vocabulary to build sentences.
Possibly. But you shouldn’t be so pedantic as to not understand the meaning behind what people say, it might be different to what the same words would mean if they were to come out of your mouth.
The ICJ case isn’t looking good for Israel, though, given that they’re in gross violation of the preliminary injunction: That “Israel is required to let adequate humanitarian aid through” bullet point was a piece of rope and the war cabinet is hanging itself with it instead of climbing out of the hole they dug for themselves.
Hamas must lose power, Netanyahu must lose power and 2 new government need to negotiate a 2-states-solution.
Two states is getting less and less viable, the settlers have made sure of that. Maybe a one-state solution in the image of Belgium: Strong cultural and political independence but, very crucially, one army.
But you shouldn’t be so pedantic as to not understand the meaning behind what people say
Oh, I understand the meaning of holocaust and regarding “meaning”, I understand that people want to take the situation in Gaza and describe it as bad as possible… And then, they find the word “holocaust” and use it…
The problem: Most words have definitions. And if Lula says “it’s like the Holocaust”, he should expect that historians or maybe only random internet users look up the world “holocaust” and tell him that there are some huge differences. And that’s pretty much what I’m doing here.
Two states is getting less and less viable, the settlers have made sure of that. Maybe a one-state solution in the image of Belgium: Strong cultural and political independence but, very crucially, one army.
Let me make it even simpler. We are talking about N-state-solutions (N is some number) here. With Hamas (you know, those, who state that their main goal is to destroy Israel) in power, there is no chance for a permanent solution at all. I just hope that 1) Hamas loses power, followed by 2) Netanyahu losing power. This makes actual solutions possible.
And if Lula says “it’s like the Holocaust”, he should expect that historians or maybe only random internet users look up the world “holocaust” and tell him that there are some huge differences.
You can find huge differences between any two events if you look closely enough. How different things have to be to be “like” is not a constant and the man is Brazilian, not German.
I just hope that 1) Hamas loses power, followed by 2) Netanyahu losing power. This makes actual solutions possible.
I mean yes but at the very least you also need Israel to actually crack down on extremists, that Otzma Yehudit wasn’t immediate outlawed as a successor to the Kach party is not tenable, they really need to start treating Lebensraum rhetoric as essentially treason. Same goes for “they may live here but this is a Jewish state that means they don’t have the same rights” apartheid rhetoric from radical Settlers.
The extreme right don’t have that broad of a basis in each camp but, well, there’s a reason I called Netanyahu Benjamin von Papen. Hamas’ rule in Gaza has always been straight-up dictatorial. Media perception is also a huge issue: Many Palestinians don’t know the extent of what Hamas did because al Jazeera doesn’t want to show it and the IDF frankly speaking is known to lie without blushing, and the Israeli press is self-censoring, it’s always “our guys and gals on the front”, never, “here’s the civilians they just slaughtered”. Journalists know, journalists also know that noone wants to see it and people would just switch channels, now even less than before the 7th. In that light, let me make a Holocaust comparison as to what will be necessary for things to get better, excuse the poetic license: Israelis being forced at gun-point to look at Gaza’s ruins, “this is what you did by looking away”.
Gaza is not West bank! I did not claim that Netanyahu does not want to control parts of the west bank area.
And they are more qualified to decide that than you or me or all the others here who use buzzword like “holocaust”, “concentration camp”, “genocide”, … like it’s their default vocabulary to build sentences.
I agree with that part.
And in my opinion, for Plastinian freedom and a secure Israel, Hamas must lose power, Netanyahu must lose power and 2 new government need to negotiate a 2-states-solution.
Kahanites want all of the territories. Netanyahu (not strictly a Kahanite) wants all of the territories. Different policies do not imply different goals and that’s even presupposing that it’s different policies: The West Bank is getting cut up into small enclaves surrounded by settler-controlled regions, if that goes on just a bit longer then there’s going to be a thousand individual Gazas there.
Possibly. But you shouldn’t be so pedantic as to not understand the meaning behind what people say, it might be different to what the same words would mean if they were to come out of your mouth.
The ICJ case isn’t looking good for Israel, though, given that they’re in gross violation of the preliminary injunction: That “Israel is required to let adequate humanitarian aid through” bullet point was a piece of rope and the war cabinet is hanging itself with it instead of climbing out of the hole they dug for themselves.
Two states is getting less and less viable, the settlers have made sure of that. Maybe a one-state solution in the image of Belgium: Strong cultural and political independence but, very crucially, one army.
Oh, I understand the meaning of holocaust and regarding “meaning”, I understand that people want to take the situation in Gaza and describe it as bad as possible… And then, they find the word “holocaust” and use it…
The problem: Most words have definitions. And if Lula says “it’s like the Holocaust”, he should expect that historians or maybe only random internet users look up the world “holocaust” and tell him that there are some huge differences. And that’s pretty much what I’m doing here.
Let me make it even simpler. We are talking about N-state-solutions (N is some number) here. With Hamas (you know, those, who state that their main goal is to destroy Israel) in power, there is no chance for a permanent solution at all. I just hope that 1) Hamas loses power, followed by 2) Netanyahu losing power. This makes actual solutions possible.
You can find huge differences between any two events if you look closely enough. How different things have to be to be “like” is not a constant and the man is Brazilian, not German.
I mean yes but at the very least you also need Israel to actually crack down on extremists, that Otzma Yehudit wasn’t immediate outlawed as a successor to the Kach party is not tenable, they really need to start treating Lebensraum rhetoric as essentially treason. Same goes for “they may live here but this is a Jewish state that means they don’t have the same rights” apartheid rhetoric from radical Settlers.
The extreme right don’t have that broad of a basis in each camp but, well, there’s a reason I called Netanyahu Benjamin von Papen. Hamas’ rule in Gaza has always been straight-up dictatorial. Media perception is also a huge issue: Many Palestinians don’t know the extent of what Hamas did because al Jazeera doesn’t want to show it and the IDF frankly speaking is known to lie without blushing, and the Israeli press is self-censoring, it’s always “our guys and gals on the front”, never, “here’s the civilians they just slaughtered”. Journalists know, journalists also know that noone wants to see it and people would just switch channels, now even less than before the 7th. In that light, let me make a Holocaust comparison as to what will be necessary for things to get better, excuse the poetic license: Israelis being forced at gun-point to look at Gaza’s ruins, “this is what you did by looking away”.