• @[email protected]OP
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    39410 months ago

    I work in financial reporting, so I have a decent idea of what makes up things like operating profit/loss and Adjusted EBITDA.

    This does not look good for Reddit and if the company only managed a $90.8m loss after jacking up API costs, nuking virtually every third-party client, backstabbing every power mod, giving alternatives like Lemmy and Kbin an actual user base and selling off user data to Google, then I fully expect things to get a lot worse on the site.

    • @[email protected]
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      14310 months ago

      I don’t know how in the hell they let it go as wrong as they did. They had all the eyeballs of the internet. They had all the Google search traffic. They had an API that encouraged tons of other people to make applications that link with them to display their content.

      All they had to do was light touch monetization, and slightly stroke the egos of the mods. Every new phone, car, light bulb that ever came out had a place where it could be directed right at the people they want to sell it to. All they had to do was disguise it as an unboxing or a slightly pithy review. Hell, they could have gotten competitors to bid against each other. Chevy could have been on there dissing forward, Ford could have been on their dissing Dodge. They’re so many opportunities there for monetization. They have control over their own algorithm.

      • @[email protected]
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        6410 months ago

        You’re totally forgetting the part where from the very top down that company is run by total fuckwads.

        They’ve fucked up at every single step and remained utterly self righteous throughout.

    • Neato
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      11810 months ago

      Seeing a report like that, that they did all these things to raise funds and are still not profitable, is there any reason why anyone would invest? Surely the price can only go down from initial offering, right? Unless the price started very low.

      • @[email protected]
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        8210 months ago

        People who invest are betting that the problems can be solved by a new team or when the company is sold to Facebook.

        • @[email protected]
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          7110 months ago

          Imagine thinking that about a company that isn’t even doing remotely as well as Lycos.

          That’s right, it still exists and unlike reddit it’s profitable.

          • falsem
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            4010 months ago

            I’d imagine reddit could be profitable too if they stopped throwing money at stupid shit like NFTs and avatars. Selling API access for AI training was a good move in terms of bringing in income since it basically costs them nothing, and they could have totally pulled that off without pissing off half their userbase.

            • MaggiWuerze
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              1410 months ago

              They could’ve also called reasonable prices for api access for 3rd party apps and would have a nice revenue stream now instead of the pr shitshow they got.

              • @[email protected]
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                510 months ago

                I think I have read this suggestion at Reddit: "Make people who wants to use API as clients pay. " The app doesn’t have to have API key, user pays a very reasonable money to access Reddit with their favourite application. Obviously it would come with sane for human browsing limits and AI leechers should pay millions.

                Just like a plain old radio station where you can access from web page for free but you need to subscribe for better AAC, high quality streams and standard VLC support.

          • @[email protected]OP
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            510 months ago

            Lycos isn’t even a particularly bad search engine. It’s just been overshadowed by bigger players like Google, Bing, Baidu, DDG, Yandex, etc. I imagine that their low traffic helps to lower their operating costs a lot.

    • nomad
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      3610 months ago

      One would imagine the chief asshole would reduce his 190m payday by 100m to make the balance beautiful before an IPO.

    • athos77
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      1210 months ago

      I made a comment below about which of my old accounts were receiving the buy-shares offer. I don’t know if what they’re doing raises any speculation to someone with your background, but I’d be interested in hearing if it does.

      • @[email protected]
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        2910 months ago

        Vonage did something similar where they let users get in on the IPO. Then got sued in a class action lawsuit because the stock tanked.

        https://web.archive.org/web/20121104141751/http://news.cnet.com/2100-1036_3-6079765.html

        Reading through that article you could probably find/replace with Reddit.

        The complaint alleges that Vonage’s officers decided to offer shares to customers because they knew institutional investors who normally buy IPOs would be reluctant to buy Vonage stock. Vonage has consistently lost money and has never been profitable.

        • athos77
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          Oh, ouch! If this is similar, it’s a bit ironic that they’ve pissed off the people who would’ve been most likely to invest in the IPO.

          • SaltySalamander
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            I would have totally been one of those IPO investors. I’m seriously considering shorting the shit out of it now.

      • @[email protected]OP
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        Their R&D costs seem alarmingly high, when the most ‘innovative’ things we’ve seen come out of Reddit in recent years have been canned features like their own cryptocurrency and RPAN.

        Other than that and Spez being paid a buttload in stock options…

        • athos77
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          I’d be really interested to see their R&D costs for 2022. I’m wondering how much of 2023’s R&D was spurred by restricting the API code, and then allowing certain applications access; having to finally take seriously their decade-old promise to develop mod tools with no planning or preparation; their total surprise at having to provide access to disabled people; and having to update their app. Those are all areas where they were extremely happy to let languish, and which they suddenly had to provide expedited support for after the protests.

          • @[email protected]
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            1310 months ago

            And from what I understand they haven’t even gotten close to what third party apps had done for mod tools or accessibility.

      • @[email protected]
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        310 months ago

        As much as I dislike their recent choices, a lot of knowledge would be lost if Reddit went down.

        • @[email protected]
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          1010 months ago

          This is not the first time a platform goes bad and knowledge is lost. People used to think stack overflow was impossible to replace. Now we don’t even use it anymore, most of us.

          It will be fine.

          • @[email protected]
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            1210 months ago

            What? Stack overflow is still very relevant. I don’t even know what bubble you’re in if you think it isn’t.

            Honestly confused by your comment.

            • @[email protected]
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              210 months ago

              I guess I’m in the chat gpt bubble. Since that came along, it has replaced stack overflow almost completely for me.

              It’s still valuable when I Google on error messages though, that’s true…

          • @[email protected]
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            910 months ago

            Honest question: what happened to Stack Overflow? I still get answers from it. Have I missed some incident??

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              I mostly use chat gpt now, but I guess stack overflow is still there if you don’t use chat gpt. And it can be helpful for finding error messages from apps and figuring out what they mean.

          • DarkenLM
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            Stackoverflow is still very much impossible to replace. The amount of knowledge that it contains is simply too great to fall easily. And LLMs like ChatGPT aren’t even close to being as helpful as SO answers, specially on archaic libraries.

    • @[email protected]
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      110 months ago

      You know the very credible sounding theory that Musk bought Twitter to drown it. He used Middle Eastern funds etc. and those people owning these gigantic funds had nightmares because Twitter made it so easy to organise mass unrest. I want to believe this crazy sounding theory since other option would be someone having such a capital, know how and influence is that dumb.

      What if this is just a plot to kill Reddit? While crypto bros polluted it a lot, it was very similar with Twitter. Freedom of speech, diversity. It may have bugged people.