Occam’s Razor is a philosophical thought experiment, nothing more.
That’s why the important part of the phrase (that people tend to ignore) is “…all things being equal”.
It means “if these multiple answers/solutions were to exist in a vacuum, and context was of no importance, the simplest answer/solution is probably the right one.”
Here in the real, non philosophical world, absolutely nothing exists in a vacuum. Context always plays a role no matter how innocuous or silly the decision might be.
At it’s simplest, I can say “Do I want to eat an Apple or an Orange right now.”
Occam’s razor tells me that the Apple is closer, so that’s what I should eat.
But WHY is the apple closer? Did someone take it out of the fridge and leave it, so now it’s spoiled?
Is it in a fruit bowl that happens to be out of oranges? That means someone might have eaten the last one, so getting up and going to the fridge to retrieve and orange could lead to disappointment and wasted time.
etc… etc…
Nothing is simple. Anyone who says it is is trying to sell you something.
Are you firm on the stance that it’s only bigotry, and not, like, I dunno, motions wildly to the article a complex set of multidimensional issues?
What’s the logical fallacy called when you misuse a logical fallacy?
E: “fallacy fallacy” or “argument from fallacy” (also known as: disproof by fallacy, argument to logic, fallacy fallacy, fallacist’s fallacy, bad reasons fallacy [form of])
Description: Concluding that the truth value of an argument is false based on the fact that the argument contains a fallacy.
Hey, if you want to believe it’s just simple noble country folk that support Trump and not a bunch of fucking bigoted shitheels, that’s your benefit of the doubt to give.
If you want to convince me, you’ll need to do better than an op-ed in Store Brand Mad Magazine from someone who is airing his grievances that New Orleans got too much attention after Hurricane Katrina.
Are most of the people who voted for Trump bigoted shitheels? Possibly. Is everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 a bigoted worthless life? Absolutely not. Not even close. He campaigned on a multitude of issues, if you’ll recall. And before that thought enters your head, no, I voted for Sanders in 16 and Biden in 20.
I know it helps to simplify things, but you can do better. Think outside of the Monkeysphere, or whatever you need to call it so you don’t feel like you got the idea from Store Brand Mad Magazine.
Perhaps not, but January 6 left no doubt about the supporters who remained with him.
I’m not sure about your associates, but about 1/8th of the people I know voted for Trump now claim to have not done so. They have so much shame and regret over it that they lie about ever doing it. Post-2019, most who were big Trump supporters aren’t anymore. There are still a couple doucheknuckles who have firmly twisted themselves inside the asshole of the propaganda well, but they are the loud few.
For this at least, we can be thankful.
Lemmy: where everyone to the left of Biden must be a Russian Chinese Shill bot child, but let’s give actual Trumpists the benefit of the doubt.
You and I have very different Lemmy subscriptions.
And vice versa? I see them both, but Lemmy is more left leaning than reddit, although less political most of the time. Conversations are heating up now because it’s election season in the US. Honest question: when you browse Lemmy do you typically read from your (lemmy.world) instance, or do you read from All instances, or do you have a curated list of subs from different instances? I try to stay off the political subs, and in fact the only reason I posted this article is because someone linked to a lemmy.world politics post and I ventured into the politics sub on lemmy.world and was struck by how fierce the left/right division was. Most of Lemmy doesn’t seem to be like that, a comment here or there sure, but not constant like the politics sub.
First, train yourself to get suspicious every time you see simplicity. Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot. Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.
Credit to @[email protected] - this applies very well to this comment.
Yeah, what does that Occam guy know?
Occam’s Razor is a philosophical thought experiment, nothing more.
That’s why the important part of the phrase (that people tend to ignore) is “…all things being equal”.
It means “if these multiple answers/solutions were to exist in a vacuum, and context was of no importance, the simplest answer/solution is probably the right one.”
Here in the real, non philosophical world, absolutely nothing exists in a vacuum. Context always plays a role no matter how innocuous or silly the decision might be.
At it’s simplest, I can say “Do I want to eat an Apple or an Orange right now.”
Occam’s razor tells me that the Apple is closer, so that’s what I should eat.
But WHY is the apple closer? Did someone take it out of the fridge and leave it, so now it’s spoiled?
Is it in a fruit bowl that happens to be out of oranges? That means someone might have eaten the last one, so getting up and going to the fridge to retrieve and orange could lead to disappointment and wasted time.
etc… etc…
Nothing is simple. Anyone who says it is is trying to sell you something.
Are you firm on the stance that it’s only bigotry, and not, like, I dunno, motions wildly to the article a complex set of multidimensional issues?
What’s the logical fallacy called when you misuse a logical fallacy?
E: “fallacy fallacy” or “argument from fallacy” (also known as: disproof by fallacy, argument to logic, fallacy fallacy, fallacist’s fallacy, bad reasons fallacy [form of])
Description: Concluding that the truth value of an argument is false based on the fact that the argument contains a fallacy.
Good philosophy.stackexchange discussion about it.
Hey, if you want to believe it’s just simple noble country folk that support Trump and not a bunch of fucking bigoted shitheels, that’s your benefit of the doubt to give.
If you want to convince me, you’ll need to do better than an op-ed in Store Brand Mad Magazine from someone who is airing his grievances that New Orleans got too much attention after Hurricane Katrina.
Are most of the people who voted for Trump bigoted shitheels? Possibly. Is everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 a bigoted worthless life? Absolutely not. Not even close. He campaigned on a multitude of issues, if you’ll recall. And before that thought enters your head, no, I voted for Sanders in 16 and Biden in 20.
I know it helps to simplify things, but you can do better. Think outside of the Monkeysphere, or whatever you need to call it so you don’t feel like you got the idea from Store Brand Mad Magazine.
Perhaps not, but January 6 left no doubt about the supporters who remained with him.
Lemmy: where everyone to the left of Biden must be a Russian Chinese Shill bot child, but let’s give actual Trumpists the benefit of the doubt.
I’m not sure about your associates, but about 1/8th of the people I know voted for Trump now claim to have not done so. They have so much shame and regret over it that they lie about ever doing it. Post-2019, most who were big Trump supporters aren’t anymore. There are still a couple doucheknuckles who have firmly twisted themselves inside the asshole of the propaganda well, but they are the loud few.
For this at least, we can be thankful.
You and I have very different Lemmy subscriptions.
Or sufficiently different opinions that you never twig the “zomg russian!” types.
And vice versa? I see them both, but Lemmy is more left leaning than reddit, although less political most of the time. Conversations are heating up now because it’s election season in the US. Honest question: when you browse Lemmy do you typically read from your (lemmy.world) instance, or do you read from All instances, or do you have a curated list of subs from different instances? I try to stay off the political subs, and in fact the only reason I posted this article is because someone linked to a lemmy.world politics post and I ventured into the politics sub on lemmy.world and was struck by how fierce the left/right division was. Most of Lemmy doesn’t seem to be like that, a comment here or there sure, but not constant like the politics sub.
An excellent video on the subject of simplicity that some other kind lemming shared with me (after which I watched every video this guy has made).