Awww poor Musk. Maybe stop helping Russia by giving them access while denying Ukraine. Also fuck you for ruining Twitter .
Edit - apparently coverage on the Crimean coast was never activated. Still dickish for helping Russia. They’re sanctioned up the wazoo and this might come back to bite him. Starlink is a recipient of US Federal Assistance and that can easily be leveraged.
For what? Is your life in any way any meaningfully different? Why is it important to be connected to people that you don’t know, will never know, and will never interact with? Wouldn’t a better expenditure of energy go towards fostering relationships with people in your community?
I think Mastodon kinda has the same setup too, but they had all the issues with server-level cascading blocklists and stuff that put me off.
I don’t want to be blocked from seeing the posts of someone I’m interested in on another server just because the admin of my server refuses to block another server which refuses to block posts from servers where some users have posted “offensive” content, etc. - like it’s so many levels of separation it’s ridiculous.
yeah the blocklists were a mistake, instead of the interconnected new internet we just got even worse social bubbles and isolation, the only difference from current social networks is that it’s not algorithms doing it, but admins.
Then why complain about what another person decides to waste time on the Internet while you’re wasting time on the Internet? I’m replying to you while taking a shit so that’s multitasking.
Reddit and Lemmy are just as much social networks as Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn. You don’t get to stay in 2010 just because you want to pretend you’re not doing something you don’t like.
It was by no means perfect, but it did become the defacto town square. The Arab Spring was facilitated in part through Twitter and George Floyd related protests were arranged, amplified and shared through Twitter.
There’s plenty of incompetence in Musk, but a significant part of this “effort” was deliberate, as a favor to other like minded billionaires upset and frightened that the people had a working, maturing megaphone. They needed that to be broken, if not fully silenced, and musk was the pathetic piece of shit with daddy issues that the other old money billionaires could convince to do the work here as an attempt to gain their favor.
I truly don’t blame you for not knowing. There were huge headlines for the initial story, and then smaller headlines on the retraction. Then even after the retraction people that KNOW it was retracted still spread it because Issacson must be lying.
Its not just Elon, this happens everywhere.
Get the big headlines, and bury the corrections or clarifications.
Granted, in this case I don’t think Issacson was malicious in his original reporting, but it really often is malicious
I found myself in a huge echo chamber over Brexit. World news on Reddit had me believing that it would never happen.
And yeah, I follow someone for Ukraine news on YouTube. He’s pushed some theories that proved to be untrue so I guess that I have to do my own fact checking. Overall he seems to be good, but he seldomly talks about times that he was wrong.
He denied the request by Ukraine to enable starlink in crimea because “it would make SpaceX explicitly implicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation” it would also have been illegal for him to do so because US sanctions prohibits it. The original claim about him disabling it is false and has been debunked. It wasn’t enabled in the first place. He also later added that had the US government asked him to enable it he would have but they didn’t.
I also find it hilarious that Russia being able to obtain a limited amount of terminals is somehow proof that Elon is helping Russia but at the same time you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that there’s thousands of terminals in use on the Ukrainian side which SpaceX sent there for free when the invasion happened. It’s not Russia he sent those to but Ukraine.
It’s crazy how polarised these sorts of debates have become. I wish we could have sensible politicians with views like Andrew Yang, Lee Kuan Yew, Robert Zubrin, Nayib Bukele, Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins, etc. - focus on developing technology and building up infrastructure and institutions for everyone.
It goes to show that people are complex, and contain multitudes. Cherrypicking isn’t a bad thing. The older I get, the harder I find it to get along with strangers, because I’ll have some point of contention with them. :/
He didn’t send them all for free, they were also funded by the U.S. government. Sanctions say sales of such would be illegal in Russia. So yes, people in Ukraine can legally purchase and use Starlink and people in Russia legally should not be able too.
So any of his terminals being used illegally are in fact his responsibility. They are using his companies satellites which are included in the sanctions… It doesn’t seem very confusing to me
Do you know how many terminals SpaceX has already found out to used by Russians and have been disabled? Because I don’t but you seem to be implying that they’re not doing anything about it, so what are the numbers?
I’m not claiming anything. How could I know? I’m assuming they do, but to what extent is anyone’s guess. If someone has that strong opinion about it, I think it’s only logical to expect them to have a reason for it, such as evidence to the contrary.
Awww poor Musk. Maybe stop helping Russia by giving them access while denying Ukraine. Also fuck you for ruining Twitter .
Edit - apparently coverage on the Crimean coast was never activated. Still dickish for helping Russia. They’re sanctioned up the wazoo and this might come back to bite him. Starlink is a recipient of US Federal Assistance and that can easily be leveraged.
Twitter was never good, it was just popular.
I like that you can follow scientists and authors directly at the source though.
For what? Is your life in any way any meaningfully different? Why is it important to be connected to people that you don’t know, will never know, and will never interact with? Wouldn’t a better expenditure of energy go towards fostering relationships with people in your community?
The free exchange of ideas.
And that’s only possible on twitter?
At least it’s easier.
I think Mastodon kinda has the same setup too, but they had all the issues with server-level cascading blocklists and stuff that put me off.
I don’t want to be blocked from seeing the posts of someone I’m interested in on another server just because the admin of my server refuses to block another server which refuses to block posts from servers where some users have posted “offensive” content, etc. - like it’s so many levels of separation it’s ridiculous.
yeah the blocklists were a mistake, instead of the interconnected new internet we just got even worse social bubbles and isolation, the only difference from current social networks is that it’s not algorithms doing it, but admins.
And you’re on Lemmy?
Message board isn’t social media. I don’t follow any of you fucks. I don’t give a shit.
Then why complain about what another person decides to waste time on the Internet while you’re wasting time on the Internet? I’m replying to you while taking a shit so that’s multitasking.
Social. What we’re doing now.
Jazzhands Media!
Facebook is just a message board with different features.
Yes. It’s called profiles, that you use to generate links, socially, within your peer group.
Not a fucking message board. You don’t get to re-define history just because something new came up.
Reddit and Lemmy are just as much social networks as Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn. You don’t get to stay in 2010 just because you want to pretend you’re not doing something you don’t like.
Here, have some links ya kangacup
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(social_network)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit
https://www.britannica.com/topic/social-media
Every media that allows you to be social is a social media
That’s the dumbest fucking nonsense I’ll read all day today. Thanks!
I’ll grant you that…
It was by no means perfect, but it did become the defacto town square. The Arab Spring was facilitated in part through Twitter and George Floyd related protests were arranged, amplified and shared through Twitter.
There’s plenty of incompetence in Musk, but a significant part of this “effort” was deliberate, as a favor to other like minded billionaires upset and frightened that the people had a working, maturing megaphone. They needed that to be broken, if not fully silenced, and musk was the pathetic piece of shit with daddy issues that the other old money billionaires could convince to do the work here as an attempt to gain their favor.
Like fast food.
Why are you repeating retracted fake news? https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/12/elon-musk-biographer-admits-suggestion-spacex-head-blocked-ukraine-drone-attack-was-wrong
Thank you. I actually wasn’t aware.
That’s the problem with media today.
I truly don’t blame you for not knowing. There were huge headlines for the initial story, and then smaller headlines on the retraction. Then even after the retraction people that KNOW it was retracted still spread it because Issacson must be lying.
Its not just Elon, this happens everywhere.
Get the big headlines, and bury the corrections or clarifications.
Granted, in this case I don’t think Issacson was malicious in his original reporting, but it really often is malicious
I found myself in a huge echo chamber over Brexit. World news on Reddit had me believing that it would never happen.
And yeah, I follow someone for Ukraine news on YouTube. He’s pushed some theories that proved to be untrue so I guess that I have to do my own fact checking. Overall he seems to be good, but he seldomly talks about times that he was wrong.
He denied the request by Ukraine to enable starlink in crimea because “it would make SpaceX explicitly implicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation” it would also have been illegal for him to do so because US sanctions prohibits it. The original claim about him disabling it is false and has been debunked. It wasn’t enabled in the first place. He also later added that had the US government asked him to enable it he would have but they didn’t.
I also find it hilarious that Russia being able to obtain a limited amount of terminals is somehow proof that Elon is helping Russia but at the same time you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that there’s thousands of terminals in use on the Ukrainian side which SpaceX sent there for free when the invasion happened. It’s not Russia he sent those to but Ukraine.
The BlueAnon cultists don’t care about the truth.
It’s crazy how polarised these sorts of debates have become. I wish we could have sensible politicians with views like Andrew Yang, Lee Kuan Yew, Robert Zubrin, Nayib Bukele, Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins, etc. - focus on developing technology and building up infrastructure and institutions for everyone.
I can’t speak for the others but Dawkins has fallen into an anti-trans rabbithole lately and has said some pretty hateful stuff. :(
That’s rather disappointing. But then again, so is the rest of reality.
It goes to show that people are complex, and contain multitudes. Cherrypicking isn’t a bad thing. The older I get, the harder I find it to get along with strangers, because I’ll have some point of contention with them. :/
He didn’t send them all for free, they were also funded by the U.S. government. Sanctions say sales of such would be illegal in Russia. So yes, people in Ukraine can legally purchase and use Starlink and people in Russia legally should not be able too.
So any of his terminals being used illegally are in fact his responsibility. They are using his companies satellites which are included in the sanctions… It doesn’t seem very confusing to me
What part of that is confusing
Do you know how many terminals SpaceX has already found out to used by Russians and have been disabled? Because I don’t but you seem to be implying that they’re not doing anything about it, so what are the numbers?
So you claim they are doing something about it and demand someone else find you proof for your claims. Run around with your goal posts all you want.
I’m not claiming anything. How could I know? I’m assuming they do, but to what extent is anyone’s guess. If someone has that strong opinion about it, I think it’s only logical to expect them to have a reason for it, such as evidence to the contrary.