• @[email protected]
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    Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.

    Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.

    Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol

    • @[email protected]
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      819 months ago

      Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I’m not sure). One of the factors for sure.

      • @[email protected]
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        779 months ago

        So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it’s infuriating.

      • @[email protected]
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        519 months ago

        The dev really needs to change that then.

        Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it’s of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)

            • @[email protected]
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              39 months ago

              The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I’m genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.

    • @[email protected]
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      699 months ago

      Why are people joining .world to begin with?

      Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.

      Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)

      • @[email protected]
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        179 months ago

        In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.

    • Blóðbók
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      549 months ago

      Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It’s like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.

    • @[email protected]
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      199 months ago

      If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.

      • db0M
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        189 months ago

        so long as you’re regularly exporting your profile, moving instances isn’t a big deal anymore.

          • db0M
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            9 months ago

            convenience, freedom, price, safety. Choose 2

            • @[email protected]
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              119 months ago

              For most users, price and convenience. That’s been made very clear over and over again.

              • db0M
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                Sure, but eventually the lack of freedom and security drives them away when the service enshittifies thoroughly.

                • @[email protected]
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                  89 months ago

                  That’s what we like to think. Facebook, Google, kinda shows us most users are perfectly happy to continue taking abuse, though

                  • db0M
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                    109 months ago

                    With social media companies, they seem unassailable, until the trust thermocline is breached, and then they collapse all at once.

                  • @rambaroo
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                    19 months ago

                    Facebook has been losing users for years though.

      • Bilb!
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        39 months ago

        I run my own instance that technically does have open registration, but I can’t really recommend anyone actually sign up to use it. It’s not running on very powerful hardware, and my commitment to keeping it running 24/7 is “as long as it stays convenient and interesting.” There are probably many, many of those. But there are a good collection of second and third tier instances now as well, I’m not to worried about .world’s popularity so long as they don’t do something like switch to a federation allow-list rather than a block list.

        • db0M
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          29 months ago

          If by open registration, you mean without approval, I strongly recommend you add an approval step, due to spam.

          • Bilb!
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            19 months ago

            I’m aware of the risk, but so far the captcha seems to have prevented any mass sign-up, and none of the few other existing accounts so far have any activity. That said, since I have no intention to support a user base anymore, I probably should close it anyway.

            • db0M
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              19 months ago

              I mean, depending on your costs, running your own instance has benefits of control.

              • Bilb!
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                19 months ago

                Agreed, and I don’t intend to stop at the moment. When I wrote “close it” I meant registration, sorry about the ambiguous language.

    • Gianni R
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      159 months ago

      Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages

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        dubious privacy issues

        They’re also federated with threads so I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I’m a fool for sticking around in there as long as I have.

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      Everyone should leave that instance, the admin and the mods on that instance are big time thought police and will find excuses in their vague rules to delete your posts and eventually ban you if your views go against the grain.

      • @[email protected]
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        169 months ago

        Banning users with certain “opinions” isn’t a bad thing on its own, but on .world that grain seems to be the corporate-bootlicking grain of Reddit.

    • yukichigai
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      Also, don’t put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can’t get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.

      Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It’s run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven’t defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.

      • @[email protected]
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        29 months ago

        Yeah, I was cool with sitting on lemmy.world until they did something that I wasn’t cool with.

        I’m not loyal to them, or anyone else. The more choice, the better.

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      I think it’s fine to have a main instance, as long as that main instance isn’t gung-ho about censorship like lemmy.world has become.

      Although I definitely agree with recommending against joining lemmy.world.

      Such a shitty decision by biased mods and useful idiots. They deserve to lose power as a result.

    • @rambaroo
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      I don’t disagree at all but I can kind of understand why a lemmy instance would block piracy communities. Reddit has many millions of dollars and a squad of lawyers to back them up, lemmy admins don’t.

    • Bellatired
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      39 months ago

      Lemmy is confusing enough for people who are not used to its idea. Everybody new and with FOMO immediately went for the bigger instances.

    • Lad
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      29 months ago

      My instance is somewhat small so I’m not guilty :D

    • @[email protected]
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      19 months ago

      why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it’s no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.