Extremes are all relative, no? The political views that are centrist today would be extreme 100 years ago. Just saying they’re extreme and therefore bad is a weak argument.
Sure there are bigots on both sides, there are bigots outside the extremes too. There are centrist bigots! There, now I’ve shown that extremism is just the same as centrism… Obviously that doesn’t work, though, does it? You can’t just pick one thing that happens and say “well everyone does this so they’re all the same”… Does it happen to the same degree? What are it’s consequences?
I think you’ll find significantly more racism, sexism, etc on the right… Far right extenists are literal Nazis and white supremacists! Feminism, the civil rights movement, pride movement, etc, are all left-aligned… Extremist leftists sometimes lose sight of one aspect of this, but they so obviously aren’t the same as literal fucking Nazis!
you don’t need to be a leftist nazi to be an actual nazi,the same as the right.
what i also find interesting is leftist seemed to use the same reasoning to justify their extremism,not that much different from the right. no justification is enough on either side be be a nazi or behave like one.
What are you talking about? Nazism is a fundamentally right-aligned ideology, how can you argue otherwise? You can invent definitions of what “left” or “right” means to suit you if you want, but why bother saying anything if you’re going to make up the meanings of words?
Can you tell me what a “leftist” is? Or what they might want for the world? Can you tell me what a Nazi is? And then why you think there are parallels?
I just don’t believe that anyone who understands what these words mean would think they are alike.
If someone is behaving like a nazi they aren’t a left wing extremist. The OG Nazis called themselves socialists - but they were not socialists, were they? They were fascists.
Can you show me any of these extremists who you think are both on the left and Nazis? And explain why you think they are both of those things?
And to be clear - I am not calling all right wing extremists Nazis. All Nazis are right wing extremists, not all right wing extremists are Nazis. You seem to be content to throw the word around for anyone who you disagree with, but it is in fact a word that represents a specific political ideology which occupies a particular place on the spectrum.
perhaps you can explain how a trans activist can label anyone who doesn’t align with their beliefs a transphobe or when anyone who believes a man isn’t a woman is automatically a transphobe.
you seem to think left wing extremists cannot behave like a nazi and if they do,they aren’t leftist but fascist.
i mean i seldom hear of fascists advocating equal rights for the lgbtq community but i do come across left wing extremists advocating their left wing ideas and then behaving like a nazi if anyone so much as disagree.
our discourse here is you seemingly trying to convince me left wing nutjobs cannot be nazis,only right wing can,where in fact i have been saying both sides are behaving like a nazi and no one side is better than the other.
What is “behaving like a nazi” to you? Are these trans activists advocating the extermination of the Jews? No? Then they probably aren’t fucking Nazis are they.
It’s hilarious that you’re accusing trans activists of “labelling anyone who disagrees with them” as teansphobes… While yourself labelling anyone you disagree with a nazi, with no regard to what the word actually means!
Please, define what Nazi means to you, because otherwise this conversation is pointless.
Edit to add: and seriously, to you “trans women are women” is the same level as “we should exterminate the Jews”? What the fuck dude?
u seriously think i was labeling anyone who disagreed with me a nazi?? the ones that were labeling me was exactly those left wing nutjobs.
if you want to compare what your meaning of nazi is against mine,please do define what nazi means to you in a concise manner and we can compare notes,otherwise i agree,this exchange isn’t going anywhere.
I would define a Nazi as someone who follows or supports the socio-political ideology Nazism - to quote Wikipedia:
the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.
I would also include neo-Nazis who, again quoting Wiki:
seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology
I will grant you that some people use the word in a much weaker way (see “grammar nazi”), which I find frustrating but I have to acknowledge is a modern usage… but not the one I have been using in this conversation.
Extremes are all relative, no? The political views that are centrist today would be extreme 100 years ago. Just saying they’re extreme and therefore bad is a weak argument.
Sure there are bigots on both sides, there are bigots outside the extremes too. There are centrist bigots! There, now I’ve shown that extremism is just the same as centrism… Obviously that doesn’t work, though, does it? You can’t just pick one thing that happens and say “well everyone does this so they’re all the same”… Does it happen to the same degree? What are it’s consequences?
I think you’ll find significantly more racism, sexism, etc on the right… Far right extenists are literal Nazis and white supremacists! Feminism, the civil rights movement, pride movement, etc, are all left-aligned… Extremist leftists sometimes lose sight of one aspect of this, but they so obviously aren’t the same as literal fucking Nazis!
you sound like a leftist apologist now.
you don’t need to be a leftist nazi to be an actual nazi,the same as the right.
what i also find interesting is leftist seemed to use the same reasoning to justify their extremism,not that much different from the right. no justification is enough on either side be be a nazi or behave like one.
as far as i can tell:
the right is consistently crazy.
the left has been getting consistently crazier.
What are you talking about? Nazism is a fundamentally right-aligned ideology, how can you argue otherwise? You can invent definitions of what “left” or “right” means to suit you if you want, but why bother saying anything if you’re going to make up the meanings of words?
Can you tell me what a “leftist” is? Or what they might want for the world? Can you tell me what a Nazi is? And then why you think there are parallels?
I just don’t believe that anyone who understands what these words mean would think they are alike.
so left wing extremists aren’t bigots, don’t discriminate, don’t spread hate or behave exactly like a nazi would???
a left wing extremist will behave exactly like their right wing counterparts. they exhibit behaviours just like those right wing nutjobs.
you call right wing extremist nazis,i agree. i call left wing extremists nazis in disguise.
If someone is behaving like a nazi they aren’t a left wing extremist. The OG Nazis called themselves socialists - but they were not socialists, were they? They were fascists.
Can you show me any of these extremists who you think are both on the left and Nazis? And explain why you think they are both of those things?
And to be clear - I am not calling all right wing extremists Nazis. All Nazis are right wing extremists, not all right wing extremists are Nazis. You seem to be content to throw the word around for anyone who you disagree with, but it is in fact a word that represents a specific political ideology which occupies a particular place on the spectrum.
perhaps you can explain how a trans activist can label anyone who doesn’t align with their beliefs a transphobe or when anyone who believes a man isn’t a woman is automatically a transphobe.
you seem to think left wing extremists cannot behave like a nazi and if they do,they aren’t leftist but fascist.
i mean i seldom hear of fascists advocating equal rights for the lgbtq community but i do come across left wing extremists advocating their left wing ideas and then behaving like a nazi if anyone so much as disagree.
our discourse here is you seemingly trying to convince me left wing nutjobs cannot be nazis,only right wing can,where in fact i have been saying both sides are behaving like a nazi and no one side is better than the other.
What is “behaving like a nazi” to you? Are these trans activists advocating the extermination of the Jews? No? Then they probably aren’t fucking Nazis are they.
It’s hilarious that you’re accusing trans activists of “labelling anyone who disagrees with them” as teansphobes… While yourself labelling anyone you disagree with a nazi, with no regard to what the word actually means!
Please, define what Nazi means to you, because otherwise this conversation is pointless.
Edit to add: and seriously, to you “trans women are women” is the same level as “we should exterminate the Jews”? What the fuck dude?
u seriously think i was labeling anyone who disagreed with me a nazi?? the ones that were labeling me was exactly those left wing nutjobs.
if you want to compare what your meaning of nazi is against mine,please do define what nazi means to you in a concise manner and we can compare notes,otherwise i agree,this exchange isn’t going anywhere.
I would define a Nazi as someone who follows or supports the socio-political ideology Nazism - to quote Wikipedia:
I would also include neo-Nazis who, again quoting Wiki:
I will grant you that some people use the word in a much weaker way (see “grammar nazi”), which I find frustrating but I have to acknowledge is a modern usage… but not the one I have been using in this conversation.
I’m a left-wing extremist and believe absolutely nothing that you’ve invented for left-wing extremists.
ok buddy good on ya 😊
Just keep making shit up 👍
will do,thanks for the encouragement 😊