This is not as true as it once was. Not a gamer, so i cant direct you in the best direction, but im aware that people are running the steam deck, or gog, or installing Windows on a VM on their Linux.
The worst thing Linux has going for it, is that it involves taking a leap of faith that, evidently, most are not willing to take. Theres been 20 years of “Linux complicated, not for the average joe” that most of us have had ingrained in us for a while. My initial comment was more of a joke trying to poke fun of that very notion. Its more of an option than its ever been, to the extent that even running games isnt a dealbreaker anymore. In my experience, i started dual booting Mint and Windows sometime between 5-10 yrs ago and very quickly realized that theres very little I truly need Windows for. Im not that tech savvy, i cant code, the linux terminal is daunting and i dont use it for installing all my software. Just before the plunge, i didnt know about partitions; today, i still dont understand what "kernel* fully means, regardless of how many times ive heard it explained.
Somehow someway, it turned out that after everything i always heard, there was a hardly a learning curve in using Mint bc it was so similar to what i already knew. Before id spend hrs cleaning things that refused to delete off of Windows, or learning to deal with viruses, or just getting past the babyproofing Microsoft intentionally includes in their OS. That meant that i hsd the time and spare brain power to look up the (usually simple) solutions to anything that was new and unexpected about Mint. In the case of a gamer, the time u lose on Windows bs (even tho u typically dont notice until u try a less greedy OS) is more than enough to learn how to game on Linux. And if thats not enough, i still would recommend dual booting due to the lightweight nature of Linux and how much more enjoyable simply internet or file browsing is on Mint.
/endrant
i get it if its still not the time for u, but maybe it will be for somebody else reading.
I’ve actually done a bit of distrohopping (including Mint, currently on Pop_OS) on my laptop and I do know how, in theory, to play games on Linux that don’t natively support Linux. The problem is that Lutris just doesn’t work for the game I want to play. I can’t get past Blizzard’s launcher because the login button just doesn’t appear. It seems to be a common problem and the only fix I could find (can’t remember what it was exactly) just didn’t do anything for me. I’ve also met someone who did successfully play it on Linux and they said that they couldn’t play certain modes because it made the game really unstable and they crashed all the time.
At best, I might go for a dual boot and do my main stuff on Linux with just games on Windows if I get a PC upgrade, but for now, I can’t see any major advantage to only partially switching that would outweigh having to go back and forth as well as reinstalling a bunch of shit.
Omfg i love this reply! Someone choosing Windows bc its best for them who keeps an open mind and is willing to try FOSS operating systems?! Holy shit thats a fucking win! Forgive me for simping harder on linux than trump does for putin when i say this, but these sorts of comments do more (imho) to spread Linux than harping on about how great it is to ppl who likely dgaf.
Im not gonna try and sway u, but im thrilled u tried and went with whats best. I make music and the DAWs on linux are… ill not say… so i do get it. I could run on a VM, but due to the size of the projects im running, ive yet to try it for fear of the VM or the DAW within it crashing. Its the one thing that i do all the time that forces me to keep my dual booting PC’s windows partition, tho it aggrevates me so. So im doing kinda what u said, Linux is my “everything but music” OS, and windows is dedicated to just that and literally nothing else. I literally only installed firefox on it prolly a year after installing windows due to it not being used for that purpose.
Im glad ur open minded, im glad u tried what u did. Your mentality makes me happy. I hope windows gives u less trouble than i know its capable of generating, best of luck to u, incredible internet stranger!
I appreciate the enthusiasm. I really do love Linux conceptually and I think it can provide a great environment for certain games (Hollow Knight runs great), software dev (as long as you don’t need visual studio), web browsing, etc. My laptop has an HDD and came with Win10 pre-installed. It was so fucking slow that I thought I got scammed on the hardware end. 10 minutes to boot, another 5-10 stuck at the desktop waiting for something simple like a browser to load, zero performance in games and unfathomably slow UI in all applications. I installed Linux and all of those problems just fucking vanished. 2 mins to boot, a clean and responsive UI, and maybe a minute or so at most to get a browser open.
The problem is that the annoying bullshit AAA devs do to their games makes it unreasonably difficult or impossible to get them running on Linux. I do hope some sort of solution is found, as I’d love to be running full Linux in 5-10 years.
Thing is, installing win11 without linking a Microsoft account is still a rather large pain in the ass. 1000% worth it minf you, but they really don’t want you to.
I just did it this morning, when you burn the ISO to a usb drive using Rufus you get a nice little menu that allows you to pre-set a local account, disable the TPM check and more.
The biggest pain is downloading the windows 11 iso in the first place. You can only do that when the site believes you’re not already using windows.
Bypassing the online check on setup is basically required on new hardware anyways, since most 2.5g/wifi6+ networking drivers aren’t included in the installer.
this is a feature of rufus, not of windows, while it’s really cool, go rep rufus, not windows. Especially for the linux users who don’t use windows and have to suffer through what is sometimes arbitrarily confusing. I will say, there is a script out there that works great for flashing windows isos under linux. Uses a grub intermediary layer to ensure consistent behavior i think? Idk, i used it once.
If you’re in a situation where you absolutely must use Windows, at the out-of-box screen ,Enter a fake email address and a fake password a few times, and once it fails to sign in it will give you the option of creating a local account. Sneaky, deceitful, and underhanded, sure, but at least it’s still possible.
i’ve already commented this, but just to get my point across properly here, it’s these kinds of comments that bother me. They reek of “too occupied with whether we could do it, rather than whether we should do it.”
It’s a neat trick, but completely fucking ignores the problem. It’s like a car shipping from the factory with a bunged transmission but everyone going “well you can just not use first gear” or “well, doing a swap is easy” and my favorite “just re-gear it with third party parts, these ones don’t explode” Like, yeah, you could. Nobody would be buying that car though. For some reason tech nerds have a masochistic relationship to this shit and i dont understand why.
I am repping Rufus here, not windows. Painful as it may sound, truth is that most people creating windows usbs would do so from windows.
The tool you’re talking about might be Ventoy. Which is indeed a great way to make any type of bootable usb stick. Once installed you can just throw all sorts of isos (and more) to your usb drive and it’ll generate nice grub menu to pick from.
You’ll just have to use the classic oobe\bypassnro method instead to install windows. (The fact that you have to use a workaround to create a local account at all is still BS, there’s no denying that.)
i get it. It just pisses me off to no end when people bring up genuine issues and people go “oh but you can just unplug the fuckin ethernet” yeah and why do we need to fucking unplug it again?
I mean yeah i could just not install a shitty piece of software like windows, given my linux user nature, i should do that, but here i am trying to be reasonable, and people keep yelling at me, because apparently i dont know that “well uhm ackshually”
like the guy who responded to my comment with “well just use a fake email if you REALLY have to” like yeah, that’s cool, im sure there are other ways of doing that too. That was not the point of my comment though.
Ventoy is pretty cool, not what i was talking about though, woeusb iirc, really slick little script. Used it for a win 7 iso ages ago.
People having to work with Microsoft stuff (not just windows) have gotten so used to needing to find workarounds for everything that those genuine issues have become the baseline expectation.
Only having to fill in a wrong email/password a few times sounds like peak user experience compared to the shit I have to pull in Azure/Power BI/AD at times. My genuine first reaction when reading that post was “ah of course, that makes sense”.
Personally I use Linux for server/container stuff wherever possible. With the occasional excursion into Manjaro to see what’s happening on the desktop side.
see i think this is the primary difference here. If i were to open azure and see anything even remotely like that i would immediately stop using it and find something better. I simply don’t have time for bullshit like this, especially when i can just pay someone else less money, for something more primitive, that works more effectively for me anyway.
You can fix it by never logging on with an email address.
You can also fix windows by installing a real operating system.
Don’t cut yourself on that edge brah
This is not a helpful recommendation.
Indeed. Helpful would be, “try Mint bc that is likely to be the easiest for Windows faniliar users to assimilate to, all it costs is your soul.”
Not everyone can use Linux. That’s just a fact. There are games I’m quite keen on playing that simply don’t work on Linux.
This is not as true as it once was. Not a gamer, so i cant direct you in the best direction, but im aware that people are running the steam deck, or gog, or installing Windows on a VM on their Linux.
The worst thing Linux has going for it, is that it involves taking a leap of faith that, evidently, most are not willing to take. Theres been 20 years of “Linux complicated, not for the average joe” that most of us have had ingrained in us for a while. My initial comment was more of a joke trying to poke fun of that very notion. Its more of an option than its ever been, to the extent that even running games isnt a dealbreaker anymore. In my experience, i started dual booting Mint and Windows sometime between 5-10 yrs ago and very quickly realized that theres very little I truly need Windows for. Im not that tech savvy, i cant code, the linux terminal is daunting and i dont use it for installing all my software. Just before the plunge, i didnt know about partitions; today, i still dont understand what "kernel* fully means, regardless of how many times ive heard it explained.
Somehow someway, it turned out that after everything i always heard, there was a hardly a learning curve in using Mint bc it was so similar to what i already knew. Before id spend hrs cleaning things that refused to delete off of Windows, or learning to deal with viruses, or just getting past the babyproofing Microsoft intentionally includes in their OS. That meant that i hsd the time and spare brain power to look up the (usually simple) solutions to anything that was new and unexpected about Mint. In the case of a gamer, the time u lose on Windows bs (even tho u typically dont notice until u try a less greedy OS) is more than enough to learn how to game on Linux. And if thats not enough, i still would recommend dual booting due to the lightweight nature of Linux and how much more enjoyable simply internet or file browsing is on Mint.
/endrant
i get it if its still not the time for u, but maybe it will be for somebody else reading.
I’ve actually done a bit of distrohopping (including Mint, currently on Pop_OS) on my laptop and I do know how, in theory, to play games on Linux that don’t natively support Linux. The problem is that Lutris just doesn’t work for the game I want to play. I can’t get past Blizzard’s launcher because the login button just doesn’t appear. It seems to be a common problem and the only fix I could find (can’t remember what it was exactly) just didn’t do anything for me. I’ve also met someone who did successfully play it on Linux and they said that they couldn’t play certain modes because it made the game really unstable and they crashed all the time.
At best, I might go for a dual boot and do my main stuff on Linux with just games on Windows if I get a PC upgrade, but for now, I can’t see any major advantage to only partially switching that would outweigh having to go back and forth as well as reinstalling a bunch of shit.
Omfg i love this reply! Someone choosing Windows bc its best for them who keeps an open mind and is willing to try FOSS operating systems?! Holy shit thats a fucking win! Forgive me for simping harder on linux than trump does for putin when i say this, but these sorts of comments do more (imho) to spread Linux than harping on about how great it is to ppl who likely dgaf.
Im not gonna try and sway u, but im thrilled u tried and went with whats best. I make music and the DAWs on linux are… ill not say… so i do get it. I could run on a VM, but due to the size of the projects im running, ive yet to try it for fear of the VM or the DAW within it crashing. Its the one thing that i do all the time that forces me to keep my dual booting PC’s windows partition, tho it aggrevates me so. So im doing kinda what u said, Linux is my “everything but music” OS, and windows is dedicated to just that and literally nothing else. I literally only installed firefox on it prolly a year after installing windows due to it not being used for that purpose.
Im glad ur open minded, im glad u tried what u did. Your mentality makes me happy. I hope windows gives u less trouble than i know its capable of generating, best of luck to u, incredible internet stranger!
I appreciate the enthusiasm. I really do love Linux conceptually and I think it can provide a great environment for certain games (Hollow Knight runs great), software dev (as long as you don’t need visual studio), web browsing, etc. My laptop has an HDD and came with Win10 pre-installed. It was so fucking slow that I thought I got scammed on the hardware end. 10 minutes to boot, another 5-10 stuck at the desktop waiting for something simple like a browser to load, zero performance in games and unfathomably slow UI in all applications. I installed Linux and all of those problems just fucking vanished. 2 mins to boot, a clean and responsive UI, and maybe a minute or so at most to get a browser open.
The problem is that the annoying bullshit AAA devs do to their games makes it unreasonably difficult or impossible to get them running on Linux. I do hope some sort of solution is found, as I’d love to be running full Linux in 5-10 years.
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Thing is, installing win11 without linking a Microsoft account is still a rather large pain in the ass. 1000% worth it minf you, but they really don’t want you to.
I just did it this morning, when you burn the ISO to a usb drive using Rufus you get a nice little menu that allows you to pre-set a local account, disable the TPM check and more.
The biggest pain is downloading the windows 11 iso in the first place. You can only do that when the site believes you’re not already using windows.
Bypassing the online check on setup is basically required on new hardware anyways, since most 2.5g/wifi6+ networking drivers aren’t included in the installer.
this is a feature of rufus, not of windows, while it’s really cool, go rep rufus, not windows. Especially for the linux users who don’t use windows and have to suffer through what is sometimes arbitrarily confusing. I will say, there is a script out there that works great for flashing windows isos under linux. Uses a grub intermediary layer to ensure consistent behavior i think? Idk, i used it once.
If you’re in a situation where you absolutely must use Windows, at the out-of-box screen ,Enter a fake email address and a fake password a few times, and once it fails to sign in it will give you the option of creating a local account. Sneaky, deceitful, and underhanded, sure, but at least it’s still possible.
i’ve already commented this, but just to get my point across properly here, it’s these kinds of comments that bother me. They reek of “too occupied with whether we could do it, rather than whether we should do it.”
It’s a neat trick, but completely fucking ignores the problem. It’s like a car shipping from the factory with a bunged transmission but everyone going “well you can just not use first gear” or “well, doing a swap is easy” and my favorite “just re-gear it with third party parts, these ones don’t explode” Like, yeah, you could. Nobody would be buying that car though. For some reason tech nerds have a masochistic relationship to this shit and i dont understand why.
I don’t use Windows. I remember this from tech support days though.
I am repping Rufus here, not windows. Painful as it may sound, truth is that most people creating windows usbs would do so from windows.
The tool you’re talking about might be Ventoy. Which is indeed a great way to make any type of bootable usb stick. Once installed you can just throw all sorts of isos (and more) to your usb drive and it’ll generate nice grub menu to pick from.
You’ll just have to use the classic oobe\bypassnro method instead to install windows. (The fact that you have to use a workaround to create a local account at all is still BS, there’s no denying that.)
i get it. It just pisses me off to no end when people bring up genuine issues and people go “oh but you can just unplug the fuckin ethernet” yeah and why do we need to fucking unplug it again?
I mean yeah i could just not install a shitty piece of software like windows, given my linux user nature, i should do that, but here i am trying to be reasonable, and people keep yelling at me, because apparently i dont know that “well uhm ackshually”
like the guy who responded to my comment with “well just use a fake email if you REALLY have to” like yeah, that’s cool, im sure there are other ways of doing that too. That was not the point of my comment though.
Ventoy is pretty cool, not what i was talking about though, woeusb iirc, really slick little script. Used it for a win 7 iso ages ago.
People having to work with Microsoft stuff (not just windows) have gotten so used to needing to find workarounds for everything that those genuine issues have become the baseline expectation.
Only having to fill in a wrong email/password a few times sounds like peak user experience compared to the shit I have to pull in Azure/Power BI/AD at times. My genuine first reaction when reading that post was “ah of course, that makes sense”.
Personally I use Linux for server/container stuff wherever possible. With the occasional excursion into Manjaro to see what’s happening on the desktop side.
see i think this is the primary difference here. If i were to open azure and see anything even remotely like that i would immediately stop using it and find something better. I simply don’t have time for bullshit like this, especially when i can just pay someone else less money, for something more primitive, that works more effectively for me anyway.