• @[email protected]
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    58 months ago

    If the voters are too stupid to vote against Trump by voting for Biden, that is on them.

    Nope. That’s on the candidate.

    Real tough choice there!

    I mean, I agree with you. It’s an obvious choice and I can’t put my mind in the headspace of anyone that can vote for Trump at this point. Usually I can at least understand the opposition’s point of view. I will definitely be voting for Biden… However, that doesn’t change the fact that it is up to the party and the candidate to earn the votes, it’s not up to the voters to cover for the party.

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      Biden appeals to most of the Democratic voters, which is why he is their candidate and why he won in 2020.

      Unaffiliated voters expecting him to appeal to them specifically is on those voters, not the Dems.

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        It’s like people didn’t notice how the GOP shrank down to core fanatics and dems won by expanding the tent in their own party.

        Now these people think the same level of ideological compromise that should define congress apparently has no place in their own party.

        NEWSFLASH: if you refuse to participate unless your ideological purity test is met, you should prob go join the tea party.

        Get over it and grow up. A capable, national political party will clearly include people other than you, viewpoints other than yours, and you won’t always get what you want.

        Work with people instead of working selfishly against everyone not 100% aligned with your own mental utopia. Your purity test is not a reason to flip the table.

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        48 months ago

        Unaffiliated voters expecting him to appeal to them specifically is on those voters, not the Dems.

        Except if the Democrats want to win.

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          58 months ago

          So don’t appeal to the Dem party voters, appeal to other people who have an extremely wide variety of expectations that apparently don’t align with the Dems.

          Sound logic!

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            28 months ago

            If you want to win, you have to appeal to the majority of voters. That’s how voting works… You can do that by energizing the base to overcome the middle or by appealing to the middle. If you pick a candidate that can’t do either, don’t expect to win.

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      68 months ago

      Nope. That’s on the candidate.

      Anything but citizens accepting responsibility for their actions in a democracy. ANYTHING but that!

      • @[email protected]
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        48 months ago

        There is nothing saying a voter has to vote or that a candidate has to run. We both voluntarily take part in this transaction and it’s up to the candidate to earn the votes of the voters.

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          68 months ago

          There is nothing saying a voter has to vote

          No, there isn’t.

          But a voter not voting is still making a choice, and they are responsible for that choice.

          The candidates aren’t lords, and we aren’t peasants. In a republic, CITIZENS are responsible for who they vote OR DON’T VOTE for.

          There’s no choice you can make where you lack responsibility. Whatever happens - it is our fault as citizens. If you can answer to your conscience in the case of a Trump presidency… well, gods help you, because I can’t.

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            Yes, it was the voters choice to say that neither of the candidates appealed to them. It’s not the voters fault if a candidate loses, it’s the candidates fault for not appealing to the voters. It’s really not a complicated concept, but you’re still getting it backward.

            If a company goes out of business is it the fault of the consumer, or of the company for not offering products the consumer wants?

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              Do the customers know that going out of business means it will be replaced with a new fascist business which will absolutely destroy the town?

              If so, that is on the customers for letting perfection be the enemy of good.

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              Yes, it was the voters choice to say that neither of the candidates appealed to them.

              In which case that voter is responsible for whichever one that won.

              Refusing to act just means that you have endorsed the end result.

              It’s not the voters fault if a candidate loses, it’s the candidates fault for not appealing to the voters.

              It’s the voters fault that whoever wins, wins. You don’t get to cross your arms and get all huffy and say “Well, I wasn’t going to vote for GENOCIDE JOE, but I don’t like that Trump won! This is unfair!”

              Your. Vote. Matters.

              Citizens. Have. Responsibility.

              If a company goes out of business is it the fault of the consumer, or of the company for not offering products the consumer wants?

              I can’t believe I have to say this in the context of a left-leaning discussion, but companies are not democratic societies.

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                28 months ago

                It’s the voters fault that whoever wins, wins.

                Hey, you got that part right. It is up the voters to pick the winner. Which is why it’s up to the party to pick a candidate that can earn the votes to win.

                • PugJesus
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                  Which is why it’s up to the party to pick a candidate that can earn the votes to win.

                  Here I thought it was up to the voters to pick a candidate. Silly me.

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                    It is up to the voters… Hence the choice of the word “party” there and not DNC. The party includes the DNC and their members (their primary voters). Silly you indeed.