“wasteland” is a bit strong. Non-native grass is not ideal, but we could do far worse. Good on you for improving your land. Let’s not force everyone to be perfect, as many will just give up.
I think the focus on perfection leads to poor mental models and outcomes.
You’re correct, but the north American concept of a “well kept yard” being two random trees and a bunch of freshly trimmed grass is absolutely horrendous. Beats an actual wasteland, but when most of your neighborhoods have rules that enforce this way of doing things it’s a lot of wasted potential and does bring ecological consequences.
Again, while not ideal, actually living backyards with several native species could act as a local metapopulation model, with sources and sinks across the different houses.
This is something that people could and should take seriously and make active efforts to change. You already have the space, you’re just not using it correctly.
Imagine you have a large circular area of native forest. All the populations living there are essentially homogenous, some species might form small groups but overall they can all interact directly, share the same resources, and mix genetic information.
Now humans come in, and instead of one continuous piece of land, you have segments of native forest surrounded by roads or semi-urban pathways. You can then imagine the populations as segmented bubbles.
This model of bubbles of native land surrounded by human landmarks is a tool ecology can use to predict how populations develop and interact. There are a lot of different permutations depending on size, biome, types of obstacles, and so on. But one of the most basic analysis you can do is detect bubbles that act as “sources” and bubbles that act as “drains” or “sinks”. A source is a bubble with an excess of individuals, those are likely to cross the obstacles in their way and find themselves into other bubbles, supplying new individuals. Drains are bubbles where due to insufficient numbers, human activity or other factors, a species can’t sustain a good number of individuals by themselves - they need immigrants from other bubbles.
This dynamic between sources providing new individuals and drains is fundamental for a metapopulation to exist even when the area is severely degraded by human activity. Imagine your well kept backyard providing bees to your neighbor with a sub-optimal one, for instance. This new metapopulation of bees is stable, even though the environment isn’t ideal.
I really hard to play ball or have other activities on a non grass surface and many people particularly enjoy the look of a nice cut lawn. Both can coexist.
Ya, grass isn’t inherently a bad thing. A lawn where I live in some serious desert is grotesquely wasteful, an appreciated lawn in other regions not so bad.
It’s not the grass, it’s capitalism. It’s the eradication of native species for profit, and the spreading of fossil fuel derived fertilizers and poisons to support conspicuous consumption (real-estate values, golf, keeping up with the Joness, etc) that is problematic.
Except most grass, especially border areas like front lawns and street medians as well as corporate-owned lawns like around a drive-thru or suburban offices, gets zero use. It’s one thing to have a dedicated play area in a yard or park that’s cut grass; it’s another thing to have the entire property as cut grass.
Everyone in my neighborhood has large cut grass lawns. There’s mostly retired folks here are very few children. I spend a lot of time outside yet can literally count on one hand the number of times I have seen people out in those yards for a purpose other than cutting the grass. If you’re not going to use it at least let the dandelions grow so the bees have something to eat!
And the fucking noise from lawnmowers and whipper snippers all day long.
I’d like to relax and read a book outside, on my messy lawn but all my neighbours do is come outside, make noise for a couple of hours and once they have a ‘perfect’ lawn they fucking go back inside.
Nah, manicured lawns can’t coexist with healthy ecosystems. They’re hugely wasteful in general. There are alternatives that are equally nice to run on like clover and many areas have their own soft ground cover that’s native. The best thing about native plants is that they’re almost always lower maintenance. It just doesn’t make sense to keep wasting water and other resources on lawns imo.
I recently let my garden grow wild and it’s crazy how many flowers came up on their own. Now I’ve got all kinds of little critters and birds I hardly ever see elsewhere. The only thing I pull are goat head weeds because fuck those things lmao
Have a picnic, play ball, participate in activities, or a plethora of other things. Pick one. If you don’t want a lawn, don’t have one. If you like play fetch with your dogs in weeds and flowers, you do you. As mentioned, both can exist. It happens all of the time.
Wow what a horrible comment to be at the top. There honestly isn’t much worse than an invasive plant monoculture. Like yah maybe it’s better than an asphalt park? But does the bar need to be on the floor? Thanks for detracting from the already difficult work of convincing people that invasive plants are detrimental.
It’s comments like yours that push me away from ever switching my lawn over. Your shitty attitude turns off more people that it convinces, and you’ve helped insure my lawn stays grass. Maybe think about your presentation if you want people to change rather than piss on someone making a reasonable statement.
I’ve tossed around with clover lawns, partial wild flowers, a few garden beds, but fuck if I’m gonna put in any effort. Every year for the last few years now, I’ve cut back on any lawn work, whether watering, spraying, or whatever after buying my house. You don’t know me at all, but now you can know that you specifically are the reason that at least this parcel of land stays grass.
I never said anything about lawns. Neither does this meme.
Honestly, I am more concerned with our native grasslands which have been replaced by monocultures to support cattle industry. I’m not a huge fan of lawns either, but I care most deeply about our grasslands. However, native lawns can absolutely make a huge difference by supporting native pollinators and also by promoting botanical literacy. I suspect most people can’t name one native grass, let alone tell the differences between them.
The fact that everyone interpreted this to be about their own lawns is interesting to me, and speaks to the ignorance people have around grass in general. Everyone here seems to assume grass=lawn turf.
It is great to have goals and want to improve. Being accepting of incomplete change and process is better. Personally, I like the photos that provide inspiration and some written direction for easily improving a situation that could be similar to mine.
Only accepting perfection tends to drain motivation. It also presumes a lot about ability, uses, values, and resources. It also drives wedges between people.
“I hate ugly monoculture yards” is not an helpful for changing minds as “i love native grass yards. Even a few accent areas are great.”
I fail at this all of the time. It is important that I get it right some of the time.
As for perfectionism creating poor mental models, the results tend to be fragile. If one must be perfect and able all of the time, it will fail. The models tend to not allow for different abilities, resources, or desires.
Some internet group just up and took issue with agriculture. I mean yeah we gotta improve our future and society, but I always go back to a simple sentiment. It’s only a relavant issue if it can show up in a video game. So basically the character mechanics we’re looking for is a -12 Agility score combined with a religous zeal for unteathering from technology while on life support.
“wasteland” is a bit strong. Non-native grass is not ideal, but we could do far worse. Good on you for improving your land. Let’s not force everyone to be perfect, as many will just give up.
I think the focus on perfection leads to poor mental models and outcomes.
You’re correct, but the north American concept of a “well kept yard” being two random trees and a bunch of freshly trimmed grass is absolutely horrendous. Beats an actual wasteland, but when most of your neighborhoods have rules that enforce this way of doing things it’s a lot of wasted potential and does bring ecological consequences.
Again, while not ideal, actually living backyards with several native species could act as a local metapopulation model, with sources and sinks across the different houses.
This is something that people could and should take seriously and make active efforts to change. You already have the space, you’re just not using it correctly.
How do you mean sources and sinks?
Imagine you have a large circular area of native forest. All the populations living there are essentially homogenous, some species might form small groups but overall they can all interact directly, share the same resources, and mix genetic information.
Now humans come in, and instead of one continuous piece of land, you have segments of native forest surrounded by roads or semi-urban pathways. You can then imagine the populations as segmented bubbles.
This model of bubbles of native land surrounded by human landmarks is a tool ecology can use to predict how populations develop and interact. There are a lot of different permutations depending on size, biome, types of obstacles, and so on. But one of the most basic analysis you can do is detect bubbles that act as “sources” and bubbles that act as “drains” or “sinks”. A source is a bubble with an excess of individuals, those are likely to cross the obstacles in their way and find themselves into other bubbles, supplying new individuals. Drains are bubbles where due to insufficient numbers, human activity or other factors, a species can’t sustain a good number of individuals by themselves - they need immigrants from other bubbles.
This dynamic between sources providing new individuals and drains is fundamental for a metapopulation to exist even when the area is severely degraded by human activity. Imagine your well kept backyard providing bees to your neighbor with a sub-optimal one, for instance. This new metapopulation of bees is stable, even though the environment isn’t ideal.
Focus on perfection? It’s harder to maintain an ugly cut grass lawn than to just let it go wild and plant some native grasses/plants to overtake it.
I really hard to play ball or have other activities on a non grass surface and many people particularly enjoy the look of a nice cut lawn. Both can coexist.
Ya, grass isn’t inherently a bad thing. A lawn where I live in some serious desert is grotesquely wasteful, an appreciated lawn in other regions not so bad.
It’s not the grass, it’s capitalism. It’s the eradication of native species for profit, and the spreading of fossil fuel derived fertilizers and poisons to support conspicuous consumption (real-estate values, golf, keeping up with the Joness, etc) that is problematic.
Except most grass, especially border areas like front lawns and street medians as well as corporate-owned lawns like around a drive-thru or suburban offices, gets zero use. It’s one thing to have a dedicated play area in a yard or park that’s cut grass; it’s another thing to have the entire property as cut grass.
Everyone in my neighborhood has large cut grass lawns. There’s mostly retired folks here are very few children. I spend a lot of time outside yet can literally count on one hand the number of times I have seen people out in those yards for a purpose other than cutting the grass. If you’re not going to use it at least let the dandelions grow so the bees have something to eat!
And the fucking noise from lawnmowers and whipper snippers all day long.
I’d like to relax and read a book outside, on my messy lawn but all my neighbours do is come outside, make noise for a couple of hours and once they have a ‘perfect’ lawn they fucking go back inside.
Nah, manicured lawns can’t coexist with healthy ecosystems. They’re hugely wasteful in general. There are alternatives that are equally nice to run on like clover and many areas have their own soft ground cover that’s native. The best thing about native plants is that they’re almost always lower maintenance. It just doesn’t make sense to keep wasting water and other resources on lawns imo.
I recently let my garden grow wild and it’s crazy how many flowers came up on their own. Now I’ve got all kinds of little critters and birds I hardly ever see elsewhere. The only thing I pull are goat head weeds because fuck those things lmao
Really hard to play ball. Really is this the best defence for manicured lawns?
Have a picnic, play ball, participate in activities, or a plethora of other things. Pick one. If you don’t want a lawn, don’t have one. If you like play fetch with your dogs in weeds and flowers, you do you. As mentioned, both can exist. It happens all of the time.
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In my area, ticks and rodents would move in. Not great for the things I do in my yard.
Native Grass are great, in general and in some areas of my yard, but not everywhere.
Wow what a horrible comment to be at the top. There honestly isn’t much worse than an invasive plant monoculture. Like yah maybe it’s better than an asphalt park? But does the bar need to be on the floor? Thanks for detracting from the already difficult work of convincing people that invasive plants are detrimental.
Relevant username
It’s comments like yours that push me away from ever switching my lawn over. Your shitty attitude turns off more people that it convinces, and you’ve helped insure my lawn stays grass. Maybe think about your presentation if you want people to change rather than piss on someone making a reasonable statement.
You were never going to switch your lawn lol
I’ve tossed around with clover lawns, partial wild flowers, a few garden beds, but fuck if I’m gonna put in any effort. Every year for the last few years now, I’ve cut back on any lawn work, whether watering, spraying, or whatever after buying my house. You don’t know me at all, but now you can know that you specifically are the reason that at least this parcel of land stays grass.
lol
I’ve already converted my lawn into a natural desert landscape, and even I think you’re being a douche.
Strong opinions push the discussion. If you don’t like it, I don’t care.
Sarcastic gratitude is not a strong opinion. It’s a weak argument, and does nothing to affect change in this world.
If you can’t figure out what the opinion was, that’s your own reading comprehension issue.
“I’m not a bigot; I used to be a liberal but then some strangers said mean things to me on the Internet so now I’m conservative”
This is what you sound like.
I agree with you. This guy is a hypercritical lawn supremacist prick.
I never said anything about lawns. Neither does this meme.
Honestly, I am more concerned with our native grasslands which have been replaced by monocultures to support cattle industry. I’m not a huge fan of lawns either, but I care most deeply about our grasslands. However, native lawns can absolutely make a huge difference by supporting native pollinators and also by promoting botanical literacy. I suspect most people can’t name one native grass, let alone tell the differences between them.
The fact that everyone interpreted this to be about their own lawns is interesting to me, and speaks to the ignorance people have around grass in general. Everyone here seems to assume grass=lawn turf.
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Interesting thought, what makes you say perfection creates a bad mental model?
It is great to have goals and want to improve. Being accepting of incomplete change and process is better. Personally, I like the photos that provide inspiration and some written direction for easily improving a situation that could be similar to mine.
Only accepting perfection tends to drain motivation. It also presumes a lot about ability, uses, values, and resources. It also drives wedges between people.
“I hate ugly monoculture yards” is not an helpful for changing minds as “i love native grass yards. Even a few accent areas are great.” I fail at this all of the time. It is important that I get it right some of the time.
As for perfectionism creating poor mental models, the results tend to be fragile. If one must be perfect and able all of the time, it will fail. The models tend to not allow for different abilities, resources, or desires.
I hope this was clear. Cheers
Some internet group just up and took issue with agriculture. I mean yeah we gotta improve our future and society, but I always go back to a simple sentiment. It’s only a relavant issue if it can show up in a video game. So basically the character mechanics we’re looking for is a -12 Agility score combined with a religous zeal for unteathering from technology while on life support.