Stop committing yourself to supporting Biden when he’s actively supporting genocide. Push him to see reason. In 7 months you can make the hard choice you keep harping about, but until then what’s the fucking point of running cover for him when you could be pushing him to see reason
I noticed this comment outside of the conversation we were already having, and I had to say that I actually completely agree. We should be pushing him, especially since there’s evidence it’s working. And you don’t have to refuse to vote for him – you still have 7 months until you have to make the hard decision.
People are treating protests of Biden as if it’s the same as wanting Trump to win. People are so committed to the electoral team sports that they’re completely allergic to exercising their power against their own party.
There’s a reason why civil rights movements existed almost entirely outside of electoral politics; liberty and justice were never on the ballet to vote for to begin with.
If MLK resigned himself to what Democrats were willing to provide without protest, we’d still have segregation. If Douglass avoided speaking truth to power and rallying against Lincoln, we might not have abolished slavery and reconstruction might have been even worse (though admittedly reconstruction was shit anyway, but at least that wasn’t Lincoln’s fault).
First: lol no. It isnt the same as wanting trump to win, but ill grant that it does effectively hurt his chances ?in the case he remains unmoving.*
Second: protest of Biden is only damaging to his campaign if you think Biden only has to not be Trump, and isn’t capable of hurting his own chances by doing something exceedingly dumb, like publicly funding a genocide.
Those of us protesting him now are doing him a favor by giving him a chance to address the issues that would otherwise tank him.
Go ahead and try and convince me that the 64% of voters who disapprove of Israel’s action in Gaza aren’t less likely to vote for Biden if he continues funding them.
Yeah, protest is a very powerful and necessary tool. Protesting to push Biden doesn’t mean you have to abstain from the election. You can choose to vote for Biden but still make it clear you’re not pleased with him. Protest votes in the primary are perfectly acceptable for this reason.
If anything, I think it’s better that we protest now rather than later. It’s a win win situation to resolve this conflict before the election.
I also believe that voters tend to have more power than non voters. We’ve seen that politicians are more willing to listen to those that already vote for them.
I also believe that voters tend to have more power than non voters. We’ve seen that politicians are more willing to listen to those that already vote for them.
Which is why this particular protest has so much potential to be effective, because he won his last election with the help of leftist participation
I noticed this comment outside of the conversation we were already having, and I had to say that I actually completely agree. We should be pushing him, especially since there’s evidence it’s working. And you don’t have to refuse to vote for him – you still have 7 months until you have to make the hard decision.
I can get behind this.
Thank you for saying that, truly.
People are treating protests of Biden as if it’s the same as wanting Trump to win. People are so committed to the electoral team sports that they’re completely allergic to exercising their power against their own party.
There’s a reason why civil rights movements existed almost entirely outside of electoral politics; liberty and justice were never on the ballet to vote for to begin with.
If MLK resigned himself to what Democrats were willing to provide without protest, we’d still have segregation. If Douglass avoided speaking truth to power and rallying against Lincoln, we might not have abolished slavery and reconstruction might have been even worse (though admittedly reconstruction was shit anyway, but at least that wasn’t Lincoln’s fault).
It effectively is, in a lot of areas.
MLK would say to vote your conscience in the primaries. Not the general.
First: lol no. It isnt the same as wanting trump to win, but ill grant that it does effectively hurt his chances ?in the case he remains unmoving.*
Second: protest of Biden is only damaging to his campaign if you think Biden only has to not be Trump, and isn’t capable of hurting his own chances by doing something exceedingly dumb, like publicly funding a genocide.
Those of us protesting him now are doing him a favor by giving him a chance to address the issues that would otherwise tank him.
Now there’s some whacky mental acrobatics.
Go ahead and try and convince me that the 64% of voters who disapprove of Israel’s action in Gaza aren’t less likely to vote for Biden if he continues funding them.
No, I don’t think I will.
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Yeah, protest is a very powerful and necessary tool. Protesting to push Biden doesn’t mean you have to abstain from the election. You can choose to vote for Biden but still make it clear you’re not pleased with him. Protest votes in the primary are perfectly acceptable for this reason.
If anything, I think it’s better that we protest now rather than later. It’s a win win situation to resolve this conflict before the election.
I also believe that voters tend to have more power than non voters. We’ve seen that politicians are more willing to listen to those that already vote for them.
Which is why this particular protest has so much potential to be effective, because he won his last election with the help of leftist participation