First, there are only 2 VOTING OPTIONS. That’s all I’m talking about. Yes, the world has an infinite number of options. Biden can resign today. That’s an option. But when you vote there are only 2 options, it is Trump or Biden. You can do a protest vote, but that is literally no different than voting FOR Trump. Maybe you get some warm and fuzzies that convinces you that you did something good. I hope you enjoy those warm and fuzzies cause that will be the only tangible thing you got from that protest vote. It happened in 2000 and 2016.
I guess I should say that this only applies to voters in the 7 swing states. Everybody else can protest vote to their hearts content. Their vote doesn’t matter.
Second, I don’t know what you think I said that is me blaming anybody. Is me telling you my opinion what you consider blame? I’m telling you my rationale for my personal decisions. If you disagree with that rationale, that is fine.
Maybe you think pointing out the consequences of your own actions equates to blame. If you are OK with the consequences of your own actions, then good. Enjoy those consequences blame free! Don’t come at me because I am questioning whether you truly are ok with the consequences of your own actions. Your defensiveness tells me you are not OK with it.
You say you will never support a establishment Democrat in the future
I never said I wouldn’t support the establishment candidate. I wouldn’t and won’t in the primaries. When it comes to the main election, I will decide based on the opponent.
There may have been few president like trump in the past but there is no shortage of them being groomed for the presidency now.
There has NEVER been somebody like Trump! You have to recognize that. This isn’t democrats being dramatic like they were towards Mitt Romney. Or even like they were in 2016. This is a guy that already stripped us of our rights and tried to overthrow the government! This isn’t a boogeyman!
If the republicans think they can continue to follow the Trump plan and groom Trump like candidates, then I believe it is more important to send a message to the RNC that that won’t work.
Now, that is MY opinion. If you think it’s more important to send a message to the DNC, then that is YOUR opinion. Identifying a difference of opinions is not me blaming you for your opinion. I get that you are feeling conflicted, and me pointing out the facts makes that conflict harder to deal with, but pointing out the facts is not blame either.
Actually it’s different from voting for trump for the reasons i stated, you may not like it, but quite literally a vote for trump is the only case where someone can say they are voting for trump.
Don’t know why you are mad at protest voters and non voters, you really should be upset at the dnc. And by the way i don’t live in a swing state, you can blame the dnc for crushing voting reform wile you are at it for rendering most people vote moot either way.
And yes quite literally when you say that a protest vote is a vote FOR trump and its their fault what ever happens, is in fact blaming them. And you will never in a million years convince someone to do anything different by telling them false equivalence and assigning false blame when they know better.
There is no way for left voters to send a message to the republicans, people who are upset at the democrats and are either not voting or voting third party never would have voted Republican anyways
There has been presidents in the past who tried and succeeded in abusing the power of the presidency for political and monetary gain, there have been populous candidates before. The big difference now it’s the party as a whole making overt moves to disassemble democracy. Trump is not the cause, he’s the symptom is what i am getting at. And only because of his cartoonishly transparent idiocy was the rnc’s plans put at risk. A mistake they will not make once trump is out of the picture.
If the dnc will not make concessions then i see no hope for the future of the nation. You can have your opinion, and blame who you want, but don’t pretend you aren’t.
I’m not talking about Biden or the DNC or society as a whole. I am talking about an individual voter in a voting booth taking an action. You have two possible actions that you, as an individual, can take. Neither one of these actions have a desirable consequence.
You can vote for Biden. The effect of this action is that this will help Biden to continue to be president and the DNC will feel validated in however it is that they’ve carried themselves in the past. Maybe the RNC will end there MAGA obsession, but probably not. The next 4 years will likely be the same as the last 4 years.
The other action you can take is to not vote for Biden. The effect of this action is that this will help Trump get elected. We have 4 years of evidence to know what he’s capable of and can only guess what 4 more may look like. The DNC may realize they need to make changes to appeal to the more liberal voters and if Trump doesn’t dismantle our democracy, in 2028 they will hopefully put up a better candidate.
Whatever action you take in the voting booth will have a consequence. If you take the first, nobody is blaming you for the negatives that come from another Biden term. And if you choose the seconds, nobody is blaming you for the consequences of another Trump term. The actions you take are your own, and it is up to you to weigh the consequences.
I am merely pointing out the consequences and identifying which I personally think is best. You’re more than welcome to disagree with that opinion, but acting like I am attacking you is disingenuous. You personally have 2 options, and both have consequences. I’m sorry that both of the consequences suck, but that is America.
If you want to talk about the actions of Biden or Trump or the DNC or society as a whole, that’s an entirely different conversation. The only thing I am talking about is your actions as a voter and their consequences. Or more specifically, the actions of voters in one of the 7 magical states that get to choose our president.
They already know this, and these posts do nothing but demonize people who for one reason or another are unhappy at the situation and have one singular part to play. This is not winning them over. This is only affirming everyone’s already made decisions one way, or the other.
They already know this, and these posts do nothing but demonize people who for one reason or another are unhappy at the situation and have one singular part to play.
Well, I disagree with that opinion otherwise I wouldn’t still be writing these comments.
This is only affirming everyone’s already made decisions one way, or the other.
That is fine. If anything, that’s all I’m saying. Understand the consequences of your decision for the love of god. It’s not that controversial.
First, there are only 2 VOTING OPTIONS. That’s all I’m talking about. Yes, the world has an infinite number of options. Biden can resign today. That’s an option. But when you vote there are only 2 options, it is Trump or Biden. You can do a protest vote, but that is literally no different than voting FOR Trump. Maybe you get some warm and fuzzies that convinces you that you did something good. I hope you enjoy those warm and fuzzies cause that will be the only tangible thing you got from that protest vote. It happened in 2000 and 2016.
I guess I should say that this only applies to voters in the 7 swing states. Everybody else can protest vote to their hearts content. Their vote doesn’t matter.
Second, I don’t know what you think I said that is me blaming anybody. Is me telling you my opinion what you consider blame? I’m telling you my rationale for my personal decisions. If you disagree with that rationale, that is fine.
Maybe you think pointing out the consequences of your own actions equates to blame. If you are OK with the consequences of your own actions, then good. Enjoy those consequences blame free! Don’t come at me because I am questioning whether you truly are ok with the consequences of your own actions. Your defensiveness tells me you are not OK with it.
I never said I wouldn’t support the establishment candidate. I wouldn’t and won’t in the primaries. When it comes to the main election, I will decide based on the opponent.
There has NEVER been somebody like Trump! You have to recognize that. This isn’t democrats being dramatic like they were towards Mitt Romney. Or even like they were in 2016. This is a guy that already stripped us of our rights and tried to overthrow the government! This isn’t a boogeyman!
If the republicans think they can continue to follow the Trump plan and groom Trump like candidates, then I believe it is more important to send a message to the RNC that that won’t work.
Now, that is MY opinion. If you think it’s more important to send a message to the DNC, then that is YOUR opinion. Identifying a difference of opinions is not me blaming you for your opinion. I get that you are feeling conflicted, and me pointing out the facts makes that conflict harder to deal with, but pointing out the facts is not blame either.
Actually it’s different from voting for trump for the reasons i stated, you may not like it, but quite literally a vote for trump is the only case where someone can say they are voting for trump.
Don’t know why you are mad at protest voters and non voters, you really should be upset at the dnc. And by the way i don’t live in a swing state, you can blame the dnc for crushing voting reform wile you are at it for rendering most people vote moot either way.
And yes quite literally when you say that a protest vote is a vote FOR trump and its their fault what ever happens, is in fact blaming them. And you will never in a million years convince someone to do anything different by telling them false equivalence and assigning false blame when they know better.
There is no way for left voters to send a message to the republicans, people who are upset at the democrats and are either not voting or voting third party never would have voted Republican anyways
There has been presidents in the past who tried and succeeded in abusing the power of the presidency for political and monetary gain, there have been populous candidates before. The big difference now it’s the party as a whole making overt moves to disassemble democracy. Trump is not the cause, he’s the symptom is what i am getting at. And only because of his cartoonishly transparent idiocy was the rnc’s plans put at risk. A mistake they will not make once trump is out of the picture.
If the dnc will not make concessions then i see no hope for the future of the nation. You can have your opinion, and blame who you want, but don’t pretend you aren’t.
I’m not talking about Biden or the DNC or society as a whole. I am talking about an individual voter in a voting booth taking an action. You have two possible actions that you, as an individual, can take. Neither one of these actions have a desirable consequence.
You can vote for Biden. The effect of this action is that this will help Biden to continue to be president and the DNC will feel validated in however it is that they’ve carried themselves in the past. Maybe the RNC will end there MAGA obsession, but probably not. The next 4 years will likely be the same as the last 4 years.
The other action you can take is to not vote for Biden. The effect of this action is that this will help Trump get elected. We have 4 years of evidence to know what he’s capable of and can only guess what 4 more may look like. The DNC may realize they need to make changes to appeal to the more liberal voters and if Trump doesn’t dismantle our democracy, in 2028 they will hopefully put up a better candidate.
Whatever action you take in the voting booth will have a consequence. If you take the first, nobody is blaming you for the negatives that come from another Biden term. And if you choose the seconds, nobody is blaming you for the consequences of another Trump term. The actions you take are your own, and it is up to you to weigh the consequences.
I am merely pointing out the consequences and identifying which I personally think is best. You’re more than welcome to disagree with that opinion, but acting like I am attacking you is disingenuous. You personally have 2 options, and both have consequences. I’m sorry that both of the consequences suck, but that is America.
If you want to talk about the actions of Biden or Trump or the DNC or society as a whole, that’s an entirely different conversation. The only thing I am talking about is your actions as a voter and their consequences. Or more specifically, the actions of voters in one of the 7 magical states that get to choose our president.
They already know this, and these posts do nothing but demonize people who for one reason or another are unhappy at the situation and have one singular part to play. This is not winning them over. This is only affirming everyone’s already made decisions one way, or the other.
Well, I disagree with that opinion otherwise I wouldn’t still be writing these comments.
That is fine. If anything, that’s all I’m saying. Understand the consequences of your decision for the love of god. It’s not that controversial.