• @natural_motions
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    Uh, trans women face out-sized violence and rape from men as well. So it is a safety concern for them as much as it is for cis women.

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      “Uh…”

      When anyone is the victim of physical violence 95 times out of 100 the perpetrator is male and the vast majority of victims are also male. This is not a competition nor the point of what I said.

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        The point of what you said was to imply trans women represent a threat to cis women, when that is false and trans women also have just as much to lose in terms of their safety. And now when called out you try to pivot.

        This is extremely dishonest.

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            42 months ago

            Wether it be gender neutral bathrooms or trans athletes it’s almost exclusively biological women that are the only ones with something to lose.

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              And that is false how? What do trans people have to lose here?

              I’m not talking about a physical threat. If a trans woman joins a women’s athletic competition the biological women are the ones who lose. With gender neutral bathrooms again it’s biological women that are on the losing side. Trans people have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I as a guy have zero issue with a woman showing up in the men’s bathroom. She can even hold my dick while I piss if she likes. It’s biological women that throw all equality and inclusion out the window the first moment a woman with a deep voice and a cock shows up in the shower room.

              And again; I’m all for gender neutrality. It doesn’t affect me one bit so I don’t care.

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                What do trans people have to lose here?

                The same that cis women do.

                Trying to pivot to sports won’t save your argument either. Trans women athletes, rare as they are, do not perform outside the range of cis women, nor are the even guarunteed to perform on the high end of that range. For example, a 4ft trans women whos been transitioned since her teens or earlier, is not going to defeat a high performing cis volleyball player.

                What you’re doing with your blanket hate and stereotypes disguised as concern is simply punishing trans women for an outcomes that is not guarunteed or even likely.

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                  The same that cis women do.

                  That’s a cop-out answer. In order to lose something you need to have it in the first place. Trans people don’t have it in the first place. Currently trans people are not free to choose which bathroom to use. I’m suggesting we make all bathrooms gender neutral so what do trans people have to lose here? Nothing. They gain the access to use the same bathrooms as everyone else.

                  I’m not “pivoting” to sports either. I mention sports in my very first message. There’s a ton of examples of trans women dominating in women’s series on sports. That’s just a biologial fact that’s well established which I’m not even going to debate. There are men’s and women’s series for a reason and the occasional exception isn’t changing that.

                  I’m not “concerned” about women. You just keep putting words into my mouth and then arguing against the strawman you put up. If we as a society think that trans people are the gender they say they are then biological men and women just have to deal with it. I’m not arguing for that to be a reason for why not to do it. I state that I’m for gender neutrality in my very first message aswell.

                  I strongly disagree with the accusement that what I’m saying has anything to do with hate. That’s just another false and unfair assesment on your part.