The first Trump criminal trial starts tomorrow. Trump’s fundraising is being crushed by Biden. RNC is hurting for cash and what is there is being gobbled up by Trump’s lawyers. Down ballot candidates will have zero assistance.
Republicans are facing the most devastating defeat in their history. Polling has been garbage for two election cycles. Just look at the writing on the wall. Trump is running on fumes and it’s only going to get worse.
So I guess it comes down to which one will do the least harm to what you feel is the right thing. Both have had a term as president so we have a pretty good idea on how exactly they’ll act in their second one.
If the Republic plunges into a dark age, for example because democracy ended, and you stayed home when your contribution could have prevented it, you’re still sharing in the blame. No amount of smug self-righteousness will wind back the clock. You already have one previous devastating administration and an insurrection worth of warning.
Imagine describing not supporting genocide as “smug”…
We’re in this predicament directly due to 40 years of neoliberal strategy. There’s no one to blame but people who continue to reward “less evil” dems with power.
Do you want to keep the Republic, or not?
Corporates Dems are Republicans. When are you guys going to grasp this?
The genocide argument is a really bad one. Yes the Biden administration is culpable. The Trump administration would pump more money into it and start parading around the genocide like it’s a good thing.
There’s voting for the side who might get tired of the public opposition and stop funding that shit, or letting the genocidal wannabe dictator win.
You’re thinking in terms of a single election cycle. That’s why neoliberals are able to keep doing this every single election, how they get you to accept genocide.
Okay, so we punish the Democrats and the Republicans necessarily win as a result. Hopefully that’s not a controversial assumption.
How many such intentional losses should be planned on so that we can get the Democrats try to move left to recapture support? How are we going to ensure they try to better court the left instead of moving to the right?
Okay, so when the election happens, vote to keep the fascists out of power, and every other day the 4 years in between do something to push politics in the direction you want it to go.
No I’m thinking in terms of we cannot revive the dead so let’s not put the genocidal wannabe dictator in power for 4 years. I clearly can’t stop what’s currently happening but I’m sure as hell not going to vote in a way that results in more people dying more quickly.
You mistake accepting genocide with trying to prevent a worse genocide.
The fact that this is even on the table is why I’m upset. A sane government would not let that sort of thing happen. But we have a majority of the Supreme Court nominated by two presidents who lost the popular vote because a bunch of slave owners over 200 years ago were butthurt at the idea that the popular vote for president wouldn’t go their way.
The Electoral College was also established to aid in guiding uninformed voters. It was logical to implement it for presidential elections, since most people wouldn’t have heard about the policy or platform of either candidate.
Exactly. Our government is like we took an 18th century sailing ship, bolted on a steam engine, piled it full of people, and then strapped on some wings so it could fly to the moon.
The structure of our government is so anachronistic I don’t know why people are upset it’s working so horribly.
All of the above appears to be true. Trump is being slammed both in court and out, and Trump’s fundraising is going to his legal bills while Biden’s getting more money and needing to spend it on fewer things. The early polls were scary, for sure, but Bidens numbers are improving, possibly because we’re getting more real pollsters in the polling, possibly because less invested people are tuning into the election and realising that as much as the past 4 years sucked, Trump’s handling of COVID and his approach to governing are much worse.
Still. We need to be careful with ‘we’ve got this in the bag’ thinking. We don’t call TFG ‘Teflon Don’ for nothing. That guy’s got more lives than a cat, and is wileyer than a fox. And you know what he’s going to do based on what he’s accusing other people of doing. We have got to turn out in exceptional numbers and UTTERLY CRUSH TRUMP at the poll box. Even then, we may need to brush up on our self-defence skills because I wouldn’t put it past Trump and his backers to actually start an honest-to-goodness coup complete with guns and armies if he loses it. I’m not going to rest until Biden is reinaugurated in 2025…
I agree 100%. But also I think that a politics board on Lemmy is mostly going to be populated with folks who don’t need to be told to vote no matter what. Local races are still important. And as you point out, winning by the biggest margin possible is important so even if polling has Biden with a 20 point margin, we’ve got to turn out and push it even higher. Plus local races are honestly more important to folks’ day to day than who is President.
So absolutely everyone vote, but that message will be more important as the election gets closer and mostly in places that aren’t full of politics nerds.
The first Trump criminal trial starts tomorrow. Trump’s fundraising is being crushed by Biden. RNC is hurting for cash and what is there is being gobbled up by Trump’s lawyers. Down ballot candidates will have zero assistance.
Republicans are facing the most devastating defeat in their history. Polling has been garbage for two election cycles. Just look at the writing on the wall. Trump is running on fumes and it’s only going to get worse.
Vote anyway.
Absolutely. Not voting is a vote for the candidate you don’t like.
The neat part is that, for me, voting is also a vote for the candidate I don’t like.
So I guess it comes down to which one will do the least harm to what you feel is the right thing. Both have had a term as president so we have a pretty good idea on how exactly they’ll act in their second one.
No. Voting for the candidate you don’t like is voting for the candidate you don’t like.
If the Republic plunges into a dark age, for example because democracy ended, and you stayed home when your contribution could have prevented it, you’re still sharing in the blame. No amount of smug self-righteousness will wind back the clock. You already have one previous devastating administration and an insurrection worth of warning.
Do you want to keep the Republic, or not?
Imagine describing not supporting genocide as “smug”…
We’re in this predicament directly due to 40 years of neoliberal strategy. There’s no one to blame but people who continue to reward “less evil” dems with power.
Corporates Dems are Republicans. When are you guys going to grasp this?
The genocide argument is a really bad one. Yes the Biden administration is culpable. The Trump administration would pump more money into it and start parading around the genocide like it’s a good thing.
There’s voting for the side who might get tired of the public opposition and stop funding that shit, or letting the genocidal wannabe dictator win.
You’re thinking in terms of a single election cycle. That’s why neoliberals are able to keep doing this every single election, how they get you to accept genocide.
Okay, so we punish the Democrats and the Republicans necessarily win as a result. Hopefully that’s not a controversial assumption.
How many such intentional losses should be planned on so that we can get the Democrats try to move left to recapture support? How are we going to ensure they try to better court the left instead of moving to the right?
Okay, so when the election happens, vote to keep the fascists out of power, and every other day the 4 years in between do something to push politics in the direction you want it to go.
No I’m thinking in terms of we cannot revive the dead so let’s not put the genocidal wannabe dictator in power for 4 years. I clearly can’t stop what’s currently happening but I’m sure as hell not going to vote in a way that results in more people dying more quickly.
You mistake accepting genocide with trying to prevent a worse genocide.
I don’t want the republic but I don’t want fascism either
Enjoy having your bodily autonomy stripped away and turned into a baby making factory because you don’t understand the concept of harm reduction.
The fact that this is even on the table is why I’m upset. A sane government would not let that sort of thing happen. But we have a majority of the Supreme Court nominated by two presidents who lost the popular vote because a bunch of slave owners over 200 years ago were butthurt at the idea that the popular vote for president wouldn’t go their way.
The Electoral College was also established to aid in guiding uninformed voters. It was logical to implement it for presidential elections, since most people wouldn’t have heard about the policy or platform of either candidate.
We have the Internet now, so that point is moot.
Exactly. Our government is like we took an 18th century sailing ship, bolted on a steam engine, piled it full of people, and then strapped on some wings so it could fly to the moon.
The structure of our government is so anachronistic I don’t know why people are upset it’s working so horribly.
The most important thing left out of the Constitution were the instructions on how often to update it.
All of the above appears to be true. Trump is being slammed both in court and out, and Trump’s fundraising is going to his legal bills while Biden’s getting more money and needing to spend it on fewer things. The early polls were scary, for sure, but Bidens numbers are improving, possibly because we’re getting more real pollsters in the polling, possibly because less invested people are tuning into the election and realising that as much as the past 4 years sucked, Trump’s handling of COVID and his approach to governing are much worse.
Still. We need to be careful with ‘we’ve got this in the bag’ thinking. We don’t call TFG ‘Teflon Don’ for nothing. That guy’s got more lives than a cat, and is wileyer than a fox. And you know what he’s going to do based on what he’s accusing other people of doing. We have got to turn out in exceptional numbers and UTTERLY CRUSH TRUMP at the poll box. Even then, we may need to brush up on our self-defence skills because I wouldn’t put it past Trump and his backers to actually start an honest-to-goodness coup complete with guns and armies if he loses it. I’m not going to rest until Biden is reinaugurated in 2025…
I agree 100%. But also I think that a politics board on Lemmy is mostly going to be populated with folks who don’t need to be told to vote no matter what. Local races are still important. And as you point out, winning by the biggest margin possible is important so even if polling has Biden with a 20 point margin, we’ve got to turn out and push it even higher. Plus local races are honestly more important to folks’ day to day than who is President.
So absolutely everyone vote, but that message will be more important as the election gets closer and mostly in places that aren’t full of politics nerds.