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  • @[email protected]
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    88 months ago

    From your source:

    Humans have much genetic diversity, but the vast majority of this diversity reflects individual uniqueness and not race.

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    The question of the existence of human “races” now becomes the question of the existence of human subspecies.

    … One definition regards races as geographically circumscribed populations within a species that have sharp boundaries that separate them from the remainder of the species (Smith, Chiszar, & Montanucci, 1997).

    … A second definition defines races as distinct evolutionary lineages within a species. An evolutionary lineage is a population of organisms characterized by a continuous line of descent such that the individuals in the population at any given time are connected by ancestor/descendent relationships.

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    It is critical to note that genetic differentiation alone is insufficient to define a subspecies or race under either of these definitions of race.

    You seem to have linked something that argues and shows the opposite of what you intended there, bud.

    • @[email protected]
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      18 months ago

      Did you miss the whole section with the tree of races, showing the genetic differences in them? Maybe you didn’t make it all the way through?

      • @[email protected]
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        88 months ago

        I think you might have just skimmed it. Throughout the paper the authors include examples of “race trees” which they argue have no places in scientific literature because they do not apply to humans.

        I have an idea. Why don’t you quote the section that proves your point. If I can’t rebut you by copying and pasting context from the same paper, you win. Deal?

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          18 months ago

          I have another idea, which is that I’ve said all that I care to say about it already and reject your attempts to continue arguing.

          You can just carry on believing whatever it is that you want to believe, as that’s what you’d do regardless of whatever I said anyway.

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        8 months ago

        It’s ideology for these people. Lysenkoism all over again. Meanwhile the existence of genetic subgroups, however hazy and overlapping they might be, remains extremely relevant in medicine - which they’d also be quick to point out in different circumstances.

        I get their motivation - the idea of there being 3-5 rigid classes of human that should be treated differently is ridiculous and sinister. But are there distinct genetic lineages? Absolutely, you can track human migration that way, it’s very interesting.

        A lot of the disagreement seems to come from conflation of the word “race”, which doesn’t really have a firm definition anyway. To some people in the USA it refers to this strict division of humans into absolute categories, but if you’re not predisposed to think that way it’s just shorthand for ethnic or geographical heritage.

        Globally, this heritage is something people still consider very important; whether rightly or wrongly is not for me to say. But that definitely lends an irony to the whole discussion. Being simultaneously obsessed with identity categories while claiming they don’t exist is par for the course nowadays, I think, at least in parts of the USA.